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From: Don Zickus <dzickus@redhat.com>
To: Robert Richter <robert.richter@amd.com>
Cc: Lin Ming <ming.m.lin@intel.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@gmail.com>,
	"fweisbec@gmail.com" <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Huang, Ying" <ying.huang@intel.com>
Subject: Re: A question of perf NMI handler
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 10:00:21 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100804140021.GN3353@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100804100116.GH26154@erda.amd.com>

On Wed, Aug 04, 2010 at 12:01:16PM +0200, Robert Richter wrote:
> There is no general mechanism for recording the NMI source (except if
> it was external triggered, e.g. by the southbridge). Also, all nmis
> are mapped to NMI vector 2 and therefore there is no way to find out
> the reason by using apic mask registers.

This is no different than a shared interrupt, no?  All the nmi handlers
need to check their own sources to see if they triggered it.  You can't
expect the generic nmi handler to determine this.

> 
> Now, if multiple perfctrs trigger an nmi, it may happen that a handler
> has nothing to do because the counter was already handled by the
> previous one. Thus, it is valid to have unhandled nmis caused by
> perfctrs.
> 
> So, with counters enabled we always have to return stop for *all* nmis
> as we cannot detect that it was an perfctr nmi. Otherwise we could
> trigger an unhandled nmi. To ensure that all other nmi handlers are
> called, the perfctr's nmi handler must have the lowest priority. Then,
> the handler will be the last in the chain.

But the cases this break are, external NMI buttons, broken firmware that
causes SERRs on the PCI bus, and any other general hardware failures.

So what the perf handler does is really unacceptable.  The only reason we
are noticing this now is because I put the nmi_watchdog on top of the perf
subsystem, so it always has a user and will trigger NOTIFY_STOP.  Before,
it never had a registerd user so instead returned NOTIFY_DONE and
everything worked great.

Cheers,
Don

  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-08-04 14:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-08-04  9:21 A question of perf NMI handler Lin Ming
2010-08-04  9:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-04 10:01 ` Robert Richter
2010-08-04 10:24   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-04 10:29     ` Robert Richter
2010-08-04 14:00   ` Don Zickus [this message]
2010-08-04 14:11     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-04 14:52       ` Don Zickus
2010-08-04 15:02         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-04 15:18           ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-08-04 15:50             ` Don Zickus
2010-08-04 16:10               ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-08-04 16:20                 ` Don Zickus
2010-08-04 16:39                   ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-08-04 18:48                     ` Robert Richter
2010-08-04 19:22                       ` Andi Kleen
2010-08-04 19:26                       ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-08-06  6:52                         ` Robert Richter
2010-08-06 14:21                           ` Don Zickus
2010-08-09 19:48                             ` [PATCH] perf, x86: try to handle unknown nmis with running perfctrs Robert Richter
2010-08-09 20:02                               ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-08-10  7:42                                 ` Robert Richter
2010-08-10 16:16                                   ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-08-10 16:41                                     ` Robert Richter
2010-08-10 17:24                                       ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-08-10 19:05                                         ` Robert Richter
2010-08-10 19:24                                           ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-08-12 13:24                                             ` Robert Richter
2010-08-12 14:31                                               ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-08-10 20:48                               ` Don Zickus
2010-08-11  2:44                                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-08-11 11:10                                   ` Robert Richter
2010-08-11 12:44                                     ` Don Zickus
2010-08-11 14:03                                       ` Robert Richter
2010-08-11 14:32                                         ` Don Zickus
2010-08-13  4:37                                     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-08-13  8:22                                       ` Robert Richter
2010-08-14  1:28                                         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-08-14  2:29                                           ` Robert Richter
2010-08-11 12:39                                   ` Don Zickus
2010-08-11  3:19                                 ` Huang Ying
2010-08-11 12:36                                   ` Don Zickus
2010-08-16 14:37                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-11 22:00                               ` [PATCH -v2] " Robert Richter
2010-08-12 13:10                                 ` Robert Richter
2010-08-12 18:21                                   ` Don Zickus
2010-08-16  7:37                                     ` Robert Richter
2010-08-12 13:52                                 ` Don Zickus
2010-08-13  4:25                                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-08-16 14:48                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-16 16:27                                   ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-08-16 17:16                                     ` Robert Richter
2010-08-16 19:06                                       ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-08-16 19:13                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-16 19:18                                           ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-08-16 22:55                                         ` Robert Richter
2010-08-17 15:23                                           ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-08-17 15:22                               ` [PATCH -v3] " Robert Richter
2010-08-17 16:17                                 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-08-19 10:45                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-19 12:39                                   ` Robert Richter
2010-08-19 14:12                                   ` Don Zickus
2010-08-19 14:27                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-19 15:20                                       ` Don Zickus
2010-08-19 17:43                                       ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-08-19 17:53                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-19 21:58                                       ` Don Zickus
2010-08-20  8:50                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-20  1:50                                       ` Don Zickus
2010-08-20  8:16                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-08-20 10:04                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-20 10:30                                             ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-08-20 12:39                                             ` Don Zickus
2010-08-20 13:27                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2010-08-20 13:51                                                 ` Don Zickus
2010-08-20 14:17                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-08-20 20:45                                                     ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-08-24 21:48                                                     ` Don Zickus
2010-08-20  8:36                                         ` Robert Richter
2010-08-20 14:17                                       ` [tip:perf/urgent] perf, x86: Fix handle_irq return values tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-20 14:17                                 ` [tip:perf/urgent] perf, x86: Try to handle unknown nmis with an enabled PMU tip-bot for Robert Richter
2010-08-06 15:35                   ` A question of perf NMI handler Andi Kleen
2010-08-04 15:45           ` Don Zickus
2010-08-06 15:37           ` Andi Kleen
2010-08-04 13:54 ` Don Zickus

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