From: Mark Brown <broonie@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: david@lang.hm, Brian Swetland <swetland@google.com>,
kevin granade <kevin.granade@gmail.com>,
Arve Hj?nnev?g <arve@android.com>,
Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>,
"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, pavel@ucw.cz, florian@mickler.org,
stern@rowland.harvard.edu, peterz@infradead.org,
tglx@linutronix.de, alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk
Subject: Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 14:07:18 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100807130718.GC11817@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100807003642.GQ2432@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
On Fri, Aug 06, 2010 at 05:36:42PM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 07, 2010 at 01:14:32AM +0100, Mark Brown wrote:
> > services in themselves (like system monitoring). It's really just
> > semantics to treat them differently to something like a cellular modem -
> > at a high level they're both just independant processors ticking away
> > without the application processor.
> I agree that a smartphone's cellular modem can be argued to be very
> similar to wake-on-LAN. The smartphone applications that seem to me
> to be very different from wake-on-LAN are things like audio playback,
> where the system is providing service to the user during the time that
> it is suspended.
The cellular modem case includes not just hanging off the network but
also being on a call - the voice path for a phone call doesn't need the
CPU to do anything. It's probably best to view a phone as a bunch of
interconnected systems that happen to sit in the same box, and there's
various design decisions that can be taken about which systems own the
shared components.
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2010-07-31 17:58 Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread Paul E. McKenney
2010-07-31 20:19 ` Alan Stern
2010-08-01 4:36 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-01 19:41 ` Alan Stern
2010-08-01 20:11 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-01 22:16 ` Alan Stern
2010-08-01 22:38 ` [linux-pm] " David Brownell
2010-08-02 0:29 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-02 0:28 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-01 15:41 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-01 19:56 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-01 22:44 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-02 0:32 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-01 4:52 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-08-01 5:48 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-01 6:01 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-08-01 19:12 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-01 20:40 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-08-01 23:00 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-08-01 23:02 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-01 23:12 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-08-01 23:19 ` [linux-pm] " David Brownell
2010-08-01 23:30 ` James Bottomley
2010-08-02 12:12 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-08-02 16:51 ` James Bottomley
2010-08-02 18:47 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-08-02 3:03 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-02 4:05 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-08-02 5:06 ` david
2010-08-02 5:44 ` Florian Mickler
2010-08-02 6:06 ` david
2010-08-02 6:40 ` Florian Mickler
2010-08-02 6:53 ` Florian Mickler
2010-08-02 7:02 ` david
2010-08-02 7:23 ` Florian Mickler
2010-08-02 9:06 ` david
2010-08-03 4:41 ` Paul Menage
2010-08-03 11:26 ` Florian Mickler
2010-08-03 4:38 ` Paul Menage
2010-08-03 11:25 ` Florian Mickler
2010-08-02 14:09 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-03 0:08 ` david
2010-08-03 3:21 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-03 4:44 ` david
2010-08-03 5:01 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-03 5:06 ` david
2010-08-03 22:47 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-03 23:19 ` david
2010-08-04 0:10 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-04 0:51 ` david
2010-08-04 3:39 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-04 4:47 ` david
2010-08-04 5:46 ` Florian Mickler
2010-08-04 5:59 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-04 6:30 ` david
2010-08-04 7:10 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-04 7:35 ` Florian Mickler
2010-08-04 7:42 ` david
2010-08-04 11:47 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-04 18:51 ` david
2010-08-04 20:31 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-04 23:04 ` david
2010-08-04 23:26 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-04 23:39 ` david
2010-08-05 0:10 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-05 13:21 ` david
2010-08-04 4:58 ` Olivier Galibert
2010-08-04 6:03 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-04 6:28 ` Olivier Galibert
2010-08-04 6:50 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-04 16:27 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-04 20:43 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-04 3:57 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-08-04 4:55 ` david
2010-08-04 6:12 ` Florian Mickler
2010-08-04 6:48 ` david
2010-08-04 5:22 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-04 18:39 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-04 18:32 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-04 20:46 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-02 5:34 ` Florian Mickler
2010-08-02 12:27 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-08-02 14:08 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-02 14:00 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-01 22:47 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-08-02 1:10 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-02 3:06 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-08-02 14:12 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-02 13:52 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-02 20:36 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-02 21:33 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-02 22:27 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-02 22:40 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-03 4:56 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-03 14:11 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-04 1:34 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-08-04 16:32 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-04 16:35 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-08-04 18:30 ` david
2010-08-04 18:55 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-08-04 19:15 ` david
2010-08-04 19:21 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-08-04 19:29 ` david
2010-08-04 19:57 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-08-04 22:20 ` david
2010-08-05 13:38 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-08-05 14:34 ` david
2010-08-05 15:15 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-04 20:08 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-04 22:29 ` david
2010-08-04 23:06 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-04 23:15 ` david
2010-08-04 20:51 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-04 20:56 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-08-04 21:15 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-04 21:31 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-04 22:08 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-05 0:20 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-05 1:02 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-05 3:59 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-05 13:40 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-08-05 14:22 ` david
2010-08-05 14:29 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-05 14:33 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-08-05 15:34 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-05 22:02 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-05 23:41 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-06 0:29 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-06 0:42 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-06 17:09 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-06 1:29 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-06 12:43 ` Mark Brown
2010-08-06 16:00 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-06 19:44 ` Alan Stern
2010-08-06 22:04 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-07 8:49 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-07 13:35 ` Alan Stern
2010-08-08 17:25 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-08 19:07 ` Alan Stern
2010-08-07 3:19 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-07 8:44 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-07 10:02 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-07 10:23 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-08 19:17 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-09 5:29 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-10 2:53 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-10 4:28 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-11 2:11 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-08 19:42 ` Alan Stern
2010-08-09 4:52 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-08 19:55 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-09 5:09 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-05 2:39 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-05 2:46 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-05 4:05 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-04 22:31 ` david
2010-08-04 22:51 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-04 22:56 ` david
2010-08-04 23:10 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-04 23:13 ` Anca Emanuel
2010-08-04 23:19 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-04 23:19 ` david
2010-08-04 23:33 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-04 23:53 ` david
2010-08-05 0:15 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-05 13:28 ` david
2010-08-05 13:47 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-08-05 14:07 ` david
2010-08-05 14:16 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-08-05 14:23 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-05 5:33 ` Florian Mickler
2010-08-05 5:56 ` Florian Mickler
2010-08-05 13:04 ` david
2010-08-04 23:15 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-04 23:23 ` david
2010-08-04 23:30 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-04 23:49 ` david
2010-08-05 0:17 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-05 0:25 ` david
2010-08-05 0:48 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-05 5:18 ` david
2010-08-05 15:12 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-05 15:46 ` david
2010-08-05 18:09 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-05 20:09 ` david
2010-08-05 18:13 ` kevin granade
2010-08-05 18:20 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-05 20:30 ` david
2010-08-05 20:26 ` david
2010-08-05 23:19 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-06 8:29 ` david
2010-08-06 17:24 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-06 22:12 ` david
2010-08-05 20:31 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-05 20:51 ` kevin granade
2010-08-05 22:09 ` david
2010-08-05 22:16 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-05 23:03 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-06 0:13 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-06 0:16 ` david
2010-08-06 0:22 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-06 1:01 ` david
2010-08-06 1:22 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-06 8:07 ` david
2010-08-06 12:35 ` Mark Brown
2010-08-06 12:30 ` Mark Brown
2010-08-06 17:22 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-06 17:33 ` Mark Brown
2010-08-06 18:18 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-06 23:35 ` david
2010-08-07 0:14 ` Mark Brown
2010-08-07 0:36 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-07 13:07 ` Mark Brown [this message]
2010-08-07 14:36 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-07 1:00 ` david
2010-08-07 6:28 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-08-08 13:35 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-08 16:08 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-08-08 17:08 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-08 17:09 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-08-08 18:34 ` Mark Brown
2010-08-12 0:23 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-07 9:01 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-07 10:00 ` david
2010-08-07 15:07 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-07 20:17 ` david
2010-08-07 21:11 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-05 23:05 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-05 16:09 ` [linux-pm] " Mark Brown
2010-08-05 18:21 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-04 23:40 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-05 0:00 ` david
2010-08-04 20:42 ` Pavel Machek
2010-08-04 20:48 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-08-04 22:54 ` david
2010-08-04 20:51 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-04 21:15 ` Pavel Machek
2010-08-04 21:39 ` Florian Mickler
2010-08-04 22:42 ` david
2010-08-04 21:40 ` Mark Brown
2010-08-05 1:58 ` Matt Helsley
2010-08-05 2:02 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-05 3:25 ` Matt Helsley
2010-08-01 6:24 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2010-08-01 6:49 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2010-08-01 19:27 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-01 22:49 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-08-02 3:04 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-01 19:45 ` Alan Stern
2010-08-01 23:16 ` [linux-pm] " James Bottomley
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2010-08-03 4:18 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-03 15:41 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-03 22:23 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-04 1:09 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-03 16:02 ` [linux-pm] " James Bottomley
2010-08-03 22:08 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-04 4:00 ` James Bottomley
2010-08-04 5:43 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-04 19:57 ` Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, take two Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-05 13:18 ` david
2010-08-05 13:37 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-05 23:35 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-05 14:40 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-09 7:26 ` Pavel Machek
2010-08-09 7:34 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-06 22:54 ` Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, take three Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-06 23:59 ` david
2010-08-07 0:25 ` Paul E. McKenney
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2010-08-07 2:41 ` Alan Stern
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2010-08-07 14:46 ` Theodore Tso
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2010-08-07 21:20 ` david
2010-08-08 12:53 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-08 15:57 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-08-08 17:40 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-08 18:02 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-08 21:38 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-08-09 10:24 ` Alan Cox
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2010-08-10 8:38 ` Alan Cox
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2010-08-10 14:55 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-08-10 14:44 ` Alan Cox
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2010-08-10 18:18 ` david
2010-08-11 0:42 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-11 1:28 ` david
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2010-08-11 3:00 ` david
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2010-08-11 20:00 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-11 22:12 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-12 0:17 ` Felipe Contreras
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2010-08-12 0:28 ` Felipe Contreras
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2010-08-12 1:25 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-12 3:44 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-12 10:36 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-12 10:47 ` Theodore Tso
2010-08-12 11:11 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-12 11:40 ` Alan Stern
2010-08-12 12:28 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-12 12:52 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-08-12 16:46 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-12 18:21 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-08-12 19:05 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-12 19:19 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-12 19:57 ` Jesse Barnes
2010-08-13 3:28 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-13 4:25 ` [linux-pm] " Paul Fox
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2010-08-17 15:00 ` Alan Stern
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2010-08-16 11:36 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
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2010-08-17 0:20 ` Ted Ts'o
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2010-08-17 7:08 ` Neil Brown
2010-08-17 15:33 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-08-17 17:33 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-09-04 8:57 ` Pavel Machek
2010-08-12 14:09 ` Mark Brown
2010-08-12 16:57 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-12 17:33 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-12 19:00 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-12 19:27 ` [linux-pm] " Dominik Brodowski
2010-08-12 17:43 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-12 19:34 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-12 19:48 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-12 19:52 ` [linux-pm] " Dominik Brodowski
2010-08-13 10:30 ` Alan Cox
2010-08-13 10:43 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-13 10:35 ` Alan Cox
2010-08-13 10:58 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-13 14:42 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-28 8:51 ` Pavel Machek
2010-08-31 0:04 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-13 15:22 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-13 15:40 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-13 15:57 ` [linux-pm] " Dominik Brodowski
2010-08-13 16:06 ` Joe Perches
2010-08-13 16:19 ` Dominik Brodowski
2010-08-13 16:19 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-13 17:11 ` James Bottomley
2010-08-13 19:08 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-08-13 19:29 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-14 0:43 ` James Bottomley
2010-08-16 21:11 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-17 12:07 ` Igor Stoppa
2010-08-13 10:57 ` Alan Cox
2010-08-13 15:29 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-14 7:38 ` Pavel Machek
2010-08-14 15:10 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-14 16:53 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-08-14 18:15 ` David Brownell
2010-08-15 7:00 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-16 16:09 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-08-17 15:25 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-08-10 14:15 ` Mark Brown
2010-08-11 16:57 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-11 19:31 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-08-11 21:25 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-11 21:37 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-11 22:03 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-11 22:12 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-12 0:46 ` Felipe Contreras
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