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From: Alexander Gordeev <lasaine@lvk.cs.msu.su>
To: Rodolfo Giometti <giometti@enneenne.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Nikita V. Youshchenko" <yoush@cs.msu.su>,
	linuxpps@ml.enneenne.com, john stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, Joonwoo Park <joonwpark81@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCHv3 05/16] pps: access pps device by direct pointer
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 11:53:43 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100809115343.122c4f2c@desktopvm.lvknet> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100805123147.GA19407@gundam.enneenne.com>

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В Thu, 5 Aug 2010 14:31:47 +0200
Rodolfo Giometti <giometti@enneenne.com> пишет:

> On Thu, Aug 05, 2010 at 03:42:31PM +0400, Alexander Gordeev wrote:
> > ?? Thu, 5 Aug 2010 11:32:36 +0200
> > Rodolfo Giometti <giometti@enneenne.com> ??????????:
> > 
> > > On Thu, Aug 05, 2010 at 01:06:42AM +0400, Alexander Gordeev wrote:
> > > > Using device index as a pointer needs some unnecessary work to be done
> > > > every time the pointer is needed (in irq handler for example).
> > > > Using a direct pointer is much more easy (and safe as well).
> > > > 
> > > > Signed-off-by: Alexander Gordeev <lasaine@lvk.cs.msu.su>
> > [snip]
> > > 
> > > If you remove these functions you can't be sure anymore that nobodies
> > > may call pps_event() over a non existent device...
> > 
> > [snip]
> > 
> > > By dropping pps_get_source you may be here by a call from (i.e.) a
> > > serial port driver whose doesn't know if your PPS source is gone or
> > > not...
> > > 
> > > I don't understand how your modifications may resolve this problem.
> > 
> > Well, this can happen only if PPS client module calls pps_event before
> > calling pps_register_source() or after pps_unregister_source(). This
> > means that it's broken! If we try to handle/workaround broken clients it
> 
> Suppose we are using pps-ldisc client. How can you assure that
> nobodies may execute pps_tty_close() while you are into the
> pps_event() related to the same serial port?
> 
> You can't disable serial interrupts in order to avoid
> pps_tty_dcd_change calls...

Hmm, yes, I see...
But this is custom problem of only one client. I think it should be
fixed in place instead of trying to fix it in the subsystem.

Are you 100% sure dcd_change can be called before open or after close?
Then I'll try to deal with this.

> > affects performance. So we have to choose what is the priority:
> > security or performance. My guru told me I shouldn't bother too much
> > about broken kernel-space code which my code interacts with. If it's
> > broken it should be fixed. Some assertions enabled by DEBUG define are
> > enough. For me it makes sense but I don't know what should I check here?
> 
> I'm sorry but I disagree with you. Kernel code can't allow userland
> programs to corrupt it!
> 
> We are not discussing about security or performance but about
> reliability.

Sure, now I see the problem (in the pps-ldisc).

-- 
  Alexander

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-08-09  7:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-08-04 21:06 [PATCHv3 00/16] pps: several fixes and improvements Alexander Gordeev
2010-08-04 21:06 ` [PATCHv3 01/16] pps: trivial fixes Alexander Gordeev
2010-08-05  8:57   ` Rodolfo Giometti
2010-08-04 21:06 ` [PATCHv3 02/16] pps: declare variables where they are used in switch Alexander Gordeev
2010-08-05  9:05   ` Rodolfo Giometti
2010-08-04 21:06 ` [PATCHv3 03/16] pps: fix race in PPS_FETCH handler Alexander Gordeev
2010-08-05  5:19   ` Vitezslav Samel
2010-08-05 10:19     ` Alexander Gordeev
2010-08-05 11:07       ` Vitezslav Samel
2010-08-05 14:31         ` Alexander Gordeev
2010-08-05  9:15   ` Rodolfo Giometti
2010-08-04 21:06 ` [PATCHv3 04/16] pps: unify timestamp gathering Alexander Gordeev
2010-08-05  9:17   ` Rodolfo Giometti
2010-08-04 21:06 ` [PATCHv3 05/16] pps: access pps device by direct pointer Alexander Gordeev
2010-08-05  9:32   ` Rodolfo Giometti
2010-08-05 11:42     ` Alexander Gordeev
2010-08-05 12:31       ` Rodolfo Giometti
2010-08-09  7:53         ` Alexander Gordeev [this message]
2010-08-09 12:47           ` Rodolfo Giometti
2010-08-04 21:06 ` [PATCHv3 06/16] pps: convert printk/pr_* to dev_* Alexander Gordeev
2010-08-04 21:06 ` [PATCHv3 07/16] pps: move idr stuff to pps.c Alexander Gordeev
2010-08-04 21:06 ` [PATCHv3 08/16] pps: add async PPS event handler Alexander Gordeev
2010-08-04 21:06 ` [PATCHv3 09/16] pps: don't disable interrupts when using spin locks Alexander Gordeev
2010-08-04 21:06 ` [PATCHv3 10/16] pps: use BUG_ON for kernel API safety checks Alexander Gordeev
2010-08-04 21:06 ` [PATCHv3 11/16] pps: simplify conditions a bit Alexander Gordeev
2010-08-04 21:06 ` [PATCHv3 12/16] ntp: add hardpps implementation Alexander Gordeev
2010-08-04 22:49   ` john stultz
2010-08-05 12:00     ` Alexander Gordeev
2010-08-04 23:26   ` Andrew Morton
2010-08-04 23:39     ` David Daney
2010-08-04 23:49       ` Andrew Morton
2010-08-04 21:06 ` [PATCHv3 13/16] pps: capture MONOTONIC_RAW timestamps as well Alexander Gordeev
2010-08-04 23:03   ` john stultz
2010-08-05 12:16     ` Alexander Gordeev
2010-08-04 23:29   ` Andrew Morton
2010-08-05 12:29     ` Alexander Gordeev
2010-08-04 21:06 ` [PATCHv3 14/16] pps: add kernel consumer support Alexander Gordeev
2010-08-04 21:06 ` [PATCHv3 15/16] pps: add parallel port PPS client Alexander Gordeev
2010-08-04 23:34   ` Andrew Morton
2010-08-05 12:48     ` Alexander Gordeev
2010-08-04 21:06 ` [PATCHv3 16/16] pps: add parallel port PPS signal generator Alexander Gordeev
2010-08-04 23:38   ` Andrew Morton

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