From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>, "Ted Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
david@lang.hm, Brian Swetland <swetland@google.com>,
linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, arve@android.com,
mjg59@srcf.ucam.org, pavel@ucw.cz, florian@mickler.org,
rjw@sisk.pl, stern@rowland.harvard.edu, peterz@infradead.org,
tglx@linutronix.de, menage@google.com, david-b@pacbell.net,
James.Bottomley@suse.de, arjan@infradead.org, swmike@swm.pp.se,
galibert@pobox.com, dipankar@in.ibm.com
Subject: Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, take three
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 10:13:19 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100813171319.GL2511@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimGHYZ4ndznJY-vjBb164xMSiGMeoJs=9=baSFi@mail.gmail.com>
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 06:28:27PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Paul E. McKenney
> <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 08:52:22PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> >> 4) no, we can't say anything about what opportunistic suspend means in practice
> >
> > Here I disagree. The Android folks have used it for quite some time.
> > We might not be able to apply their experience directly to other software
> > stacks, but we should nevertheless be able to learn quite a bit from it.
>
> So when it comes to practice you are relying solely on what Android people say.
So when it comes to practice with suspend blockers, only the Android
people have any experience, so theirs is the only experience with
suspend blockers that there is to rely on. ;-) ;-) ;-)
> If it's true that it's easy to spot the "PM-driving applications",
> then it shouldn't be hard for a guy from the Android team to assemble
> a basic typical system (X.org, dbus, etc.) with suspend-blockers in a
> couple of days.
I am happy to let the Android guys determine the best use for their time.
Thanx, Paul
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2010-07-31 17:58 Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread Paul E. McKenney
2010-07-31 20:19 ` Alan Stern
2010-08-01 4:36 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-01 19:41 ` Alan Stern
2010-08-01 20:11 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-01 22:16 ` Alan Stern
2010-08-01 22:38 ` [linux-pm] " David Brownell
2010-08-02 0:29 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-02 0:28 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-01 15:41 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-01 19:56 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-01 22:44 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-02 0:32 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-01 4:52 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-08-01 5:48 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-01 6:01 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-08-01 19:12 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-01 20:40 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-08-01 23:00 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-08-01 23:02 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-01 23:12 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-08-01 23:19 ` [linux-pm] " David Brownell
2010-08-01 23:30 ` James Bottomley
2010-08-02 12:12 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-08-02 16:51 ` James Bottomley
2010-08-02 18:47 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-08-02 3:03 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-02 4:05 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-08-02 5:06 ` david
2010-08-02 5:44 ` Florian Mickler
2010-08-02 6:06 ` david
2010-08-02 6:40 ` Florian Mickler
2010-08-02 6:53 ` Florian Mickler
2010-08-02 7:02 ` david
2010-08-02 7:23 ` Florian Mickler
2010-08-02 9:06 ` david
2010-08-03 4:41 ` Paul Menage
2010-08-03 11:26 ` Florian Mickler
2010-08-03 4:38 ` Paul Menage
2010-08-03 11:25 ` Florian Mickler
2010-08-02 14:09 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-03 0:08 ` david
2010-08-03 3:21 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-03 4:44 ` david
2010-08-03 5:01 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-03 5:06 ` david
2010-08-03 22:47 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-03 23:19 ` david
2010-08-04 0:10 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-04 0:51 ` david
2010-08-04 3:39 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-04 4:47 ` david
2010-08-04 5:46 ` Florian Mickler
2010-08-04 5:59 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-04 6:30 ` david
2010-08-04 7:10 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-04 7:35 ` Florian Mickler
2010-08-04 7:42 ` david
2010-08-04 11:47 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-04 18:51 ` david
2010-08-04 20:31 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-04 23:04 ` david
2010-08-04 23:26 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-04 23:39 ` david
2010-08-05 0:10 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-05 13:21 ` david
2010-08-04 4:58 ` Olivier Galibert
2010-08-04 6:03 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-04 6:28 ` Olivier Galibert
2010-08-04 6:50 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-04 16:27 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-04 20:43 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-04 3:57 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-08-04 4:55 ` david
2010-08-04 6:12 ` Florian Mickler
2010-08-04 6:48 ` david
2010-08-04 5:22 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-04 18:39 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-04 18:32 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-04 20:46 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-02 5:34 ` Florian Mickler
2010-08-02 12:27 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-08-02 14:08 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-02 14:00 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-01 22:47 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-08-02 1:10 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-02 3:06 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-08-02 14:12 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-02 13:52 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-02 20:36 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-02 21:33 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-02 22:27 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-02 22:40 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-03 4:56 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-03 14:11 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-04 1:34 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-08-04 16:32 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-04 16:35 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-08-04 18:30 ` david
2010-08-04 18:55 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-08-04 19:15 ` david
2010-08-04 19:21 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-08-04 19:29 ` david
2010-08-04 19:57 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-08-04 22:20 ` david
2010-08-05 13:38 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-08-05 14:34 ` david
2010-08-05 15:15 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-04 20:08 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-04 22:29 ` david
2010-08-04 23:06 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-04 23:15 ` david
2010-08-04 20:51 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-04 20:56 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-08-04 21:15 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-04 21:31 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-04 22:08 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-05 0:20 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-05 1:02 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-05 3:59 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-05 13:40 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-08-05 14:22 ` david
2010-08-05 14:29 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-05 14:33 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-08-05 15:34 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-05 22:02 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-05 23:41 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-06 0:29 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-06 0:42 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-06 17:09 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-06 1:29 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-06 12:43 ` Mark Brown
2010-08-06 16:00 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-06 19:44 ` Alan Stern
2010-08-06 22:04 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-07 8:49 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-07 13:35 ` Alan Stern
2010-08-08 17:25 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-08 19:07 ` Alan Stern
2010-08-07 3:19 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-07 8:44 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-07 10:02 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-07 10:23 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-08 19:17 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-09 5:29 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-10 2:53 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-10 4:28 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-11 2:11 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-08 19:42 ` Alan Stern
2010-08-09 4:52 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-08 19:55 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-09 5:09 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-05 2:39 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-05 2:46 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-05 4:05 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-04 22:31 ` david
2010-08-04 22:51 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-04 22:56 ` david
2010-08-04 23:10 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-04 23:13 ` Anca Emanuel
2010-08-04 23:19 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-04 23:19 ` david
2010-08-04 23:33 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-04 23:53 ` david
2010-08-05 0:15 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-05 13:28 ` david
2010-08-05 13:47 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-08-05 14:07 ` david
2010-08-05 14:16 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-08-05 14:23 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-05 5:33 ` Florian Mickler
2010-08-05 5:56 ` Florian Mickler
2010-08-05 13:04 ` david
2010-08-04 23:15 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-04 23:23 ` david
2010-08-04 23:30 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-04 23:49 ` david
2010-08-05 0:17 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-05 0:25 ` david
2010-08-05 0:48 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-05 5:18 ` david
2010-08-05 15:12 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-05 15:46 ` david
2010-08-05 18:09 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-05 20:09 ` david
2010-08-05 18:13 ` kevin granade
2010-08-05 18:20 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-05 20:30 ` david
2010-08-05 20:26 ` david
2010-08-05 23:19 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-06 8:29 ` david
2010-08-06 17:24 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-06 22:12 ` david
2010-08-05 20:31 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-05 20:51 ` kevin granade
2010-08-05 22:09 ` david
2010-08-05 22:16 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-05 23:03 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-06 0:13 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-06 0:16 ` david
2010-08-06 0:22 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-06 1:01 ` david
2010-08-06 1:22 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-06 8:07 ` david
2010-08-06 12:35 ` Mark Brown
2010-08-06 12:30 ` Mark Brown
2010-08-06 17:22 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-06 17:33 ` Mark Brown
2010-08-06 18:18 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-06 23:35 ` david
2010-08-07 0:14 ` Mark Brown
2010-08-07 0:36 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-07 13:07 ` Mark Brown
2010-08-07 14:36 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-07 1:00 ` david
2010-08-07 6:28 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-08-08 13:35 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-08 16:08 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-08-08 17:08 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-08 17:09 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-08-08 18:34 ` Mark Brown
2010-08-12 0:23 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-07 9:01 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-07 10:00 ` david
2010-08-07 15:07 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-07 20:17 ` david
2010-08-07 21:11 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-05 23:05 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-05 16:09 ` [linux-pm] " Mark Brown
2010-08-05 18:21 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-04 23:40 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-05 0:00 ` david
2010-08-04 20:42 ` Pavel Machek
2010-08-04 20:48 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-08-04 22:54 ` david
2010-08-04 20:51 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-04 21:15 ` Pavel Machek
2010-08-04 21:39 ` Florian Mickler
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2010-08-05 1:58 ` Matt Helsley
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2010-08-01 6:24 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
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2010-08-01 19:27 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-01 22:49 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-08-02 3:04 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-01 19:45 ` Alan Stern
2010-08-01 23:16 ` [linux-pm] " James Bottomley
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2010-08-03 4:18 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
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2010-08-03 22:23 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-04 1:09 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-03 16:02 ` [linux-pm] " James Bottomley
2010-08-03 22:08 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-04 4:00 ` James Bottomley
2010-08-04 5:43 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-08-04 19:57 ` Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, take two Paul E. McKenney
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2010-08-05 14:40 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-09 7:26 ` Pavel Machek
2010-08-09 7:34 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-06 22:54 ` Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, take three Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-06 23:59 ` david
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2010-08-07 2:41 ` Alan Stern
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2010-08-07 3:14 ` david
2010-08-07 6:15 ` Ted Ts'o
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2010-08-07 9:12 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-07 14:46 ` Theodore Tso
2010-08-07 20:36 ` david
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2010-08-07 9:38 ` david
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2010-08-07 21:20 ` david
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2010-08-08 15:57 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-08-08 17:40 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-08 18:02 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-08 21:38 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-08-09 10:24 ` Alan Cox
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2010-08-09 19:18 ` Alan Cox
2010-08-09 19:32 ` Brian Swetland
2010-08-10 1:17 ` david
2010-08-10 4:45 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-10 8:38 ` Alan Cox
2010-08-10 14:11 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-08-10 14:40 ` Alan Cox
2010-08-10 14:55 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-08-10 14:44 ` Alan Cox
2010-08-11 0:44 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-10 18:07 ` david
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2010-08-10 18:18 ` david
2010-08-11 0:42 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-11 1:28 ` david
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2010-08-11 20:00 ` Felipe Contreras
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2010-08-12 14:09 ` Mark Brown
2010-08-12 16:57 ` Felipe Contreras
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2010-08-12 19:00 ` Felipe Contreras
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2010-08-13 16:19 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-13 17:11 ` James Bottomley
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2010-08-16 21:11 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-08-17 12:07 ` Igor Stoppa
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2010-08-13 15:29 ` Paul E. McKenney
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2010-08-14 18:15 ` David Brownell
2010-08-15 7:00 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-16 16:09 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-08-17 15:25 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-08-10 14:15 ` Mark Brown
2010-08-11 16:57 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-11 19:31 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-08-11 21:25 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-08-11 21:37 ` Brian Swetland
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