From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: Alexander Shishkin <virtuoso@slind.org>,
lkml@vger.kernel.org, "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
John Stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>,
Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
Jon Hunter <jon-hunter@ti.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
John Kacur <jkacur@redhat.com>,
Chris Friesen <chris.friesen@genband.com>,
Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>, Greg KH <gregkh@suse.de>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] [RFCv2] notify userspace about time changes
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:53:03 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100818165303.dd52695a.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C6C7034.4050501@zytor.com>
On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:43:48 -0700
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com> wrote:
> On 08/18/2010 03:57 PM, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:55:39 +0300
> > Alexander Shishkin <virtuoso@slind.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Certain userspace applications (like "clock" desktop applets or cron) might
> >> want to be notified when some other application changes the system time.
> >
> > The requirements sound a bit fluffy to me.
> >
> > Any time-displaying application will find out the new time next time
> > it reads the time. So afaict this is only really useful for clock
> > applets which display once per minute, so they will show the new time
> > promptly after the time was altered, yes? Is that really worth adding
> > new code for?
> >
>
> Actually a much more significant use case was given for the "civil
> periodic" type events: something that wants to happen "every day at
> noon", for example. The logical thing of sleeping until the next noon
> breaks if the walltime clock is changed. As such, things like cron have
> to resort to wake up once a minute just to assure themselves that they
> have nothing to do. This is inefficient, especially for battery-powered
> devices.
OK.
Such applications might be better served via a wake-me-at-this-time
syscall instead of a sleep-me-for-this-long syscall. Although such a
thing is less general.
Is sysfs the right interface for this thing? Bear in mind that
CONFIG_SYSFS does exist.
> + fd = open("/sys/kernel/time_notify", O_WRONLY);
> + fdprintf(fd, "%d 1 0 1 1", efd);
why not
sys_time_notify(efd, 1, 0, 1, 1);
?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-08-18 23:54 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-08-18 13:55 [PATCH] [RFCv2] notify userspace about time changes Alexander Shishkin
2010-08-18 14:26 ` Greg KH
2010-08-18 22:57 ` Andrew Morton
2010-08-18 23:43 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-08-18 23:53 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2010-08-19 4:09 ` Greg KH
2010-08-19 4:39 ` Andrew Morton
2010-08-19 8:21 ` Alexander Shishkin
2010-08-19 8:36 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2010-08-19 8:39 ` Kay Sievers
2010-08-19 15:31 ` Greg KH
2010-08-20 8:37 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2010-08-20 15:33 ` Greg KH
2010-08-20 15:38 ` Alexander Shishkin
2010-08-19 9:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-19 10:53 ` Kay Sievers
2010-08-19 11:14 ` Alexander Shishkin
2010-08-18 23:50 ` Chris Friesen
2010-08-18 23:09 ` john stultz
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