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From: Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>
To: Zachary Amsden <zamsden@redhat.com>
Cc: kvm@vger.kernel.org, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	Glauber Costa <glommer@redhat.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	John Stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [KVM timekeeping 25/35] Add clock catchup mode
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 19:01:34 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100825220134.GA3322@amt.cnet> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C758194.5060203@redhat.com>

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:48:20AM -1000, Zachary Amsden wrote:
> On 08/25/2010 07:27 AM, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> >On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 10:07:39PM -1000, Zachary Amsden wrote:
> >>Make the clock update handler handle generic clock synchronization,
> >>not just KVM clock.  We add a catchup mode which keeps passthrough
> >>TSC in line with absolute guest TSC.
> >>
> >>Signed-off-by: Zachary Amsden<zamsden@redhat.com>
> >>---
> >>  arch/x86/include/asm/kvm_host.h |    1 +
> >>  arch/x86/kvm/x86.c              |   55 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++------------
> >>  2 files changed, 38 insertions(+), 18 deletions(-)
> >>
> >>  	kvm_x86_ops->vcpu_load(vcpu, cpu);
> >>-	if (unlikely(vcpu->cpu != cpu) || check_tsc_unstable()) {
> >>+	if (unlikely(vcpu->cpu != cpu) || vcpu->arch.tsc_rebase) {
> >>  		/* Make sure TSC doesn't go backwards */
> >>  		s64 tsc_delta = !vcpu->arch.last_host_tsc ? 0 :
> >>  				native_read_tsc() - vcpu->arch.last_host_tsc;
> >>  		if (tsc_delta<  0)
> >>  			mark_tsc_unstable("KVM discovered backwards TSC");
> >>-		if (check_tsc_unstable())
> >>+		if (check_tsc_unstable()) {
> >>  			kvm_x86_ops->adjust_tsc_offset(vcpu, -tsc_delta);
> >>-		kvm_migrate_timers(vcpu);
> >>+			kvm_make_request(KVM_REQ_CLOCK_UPDATE, vcpu);
> >>+		}
> >>+		if (vcpu->cpu != cpu)
> >>+			kvm_migrate_timers(vcpu);
> >>  		vcpu->cpu = cpu;
> >>+		vcpu->arch.tsc_rebase = 0;
> >>  	}
> >>  }
> >>
> >>@@ -1947,6 +1961,12 @@ void kvm_arch_vcpu_put(struct kvm_vcpu *vcpu)
> >>  	kvm_x86_ops->vcpu_put(vcpu);
> >>  	kvm_put_guest_fpu(vcpu);
> >>  	vcpu->arch.last_host_tsc = native_read_tsc();
> >>+
> >>+	/* For unstable TSC, force compensation and catchup on next CPU */
> >>+	if (check_tsc_unstable()) {
> >>+		vcpu->arch.tsc_rebase = 1;
> >>+		kvm_make_request(KVM_REQ_CLOCK_UPDATE, vcpu);
> >>+	}
> >The mix between catchup,trap versus stable,unstable TSC is confusing and
> >difficult to grasp. Can you please introduce all the infrastructure
> >first, then control usage of them in centralized places? Examples:
> >
> >+static void kvm_update_tsc_trapping(struct kvm *kvm)
> >+{
> >+       int trap, i;
> >+       struct kvm_vcpu *vcpu;
> >+
> >+       trap = check_tsc_unstable()&&  atomic_read(&kvm->online_vcpus)>  1;
> >+       kvm_for_each_vcpu(i, vcpu, kvm)
> >+               kvm_x86_ops->set_tsc_trap(vcpu, trap&&  !vcpu->arch.time_page);
> >+}
> >
> >+       /* For unstable TSC, force compensation and catchup on next CPU */
> >+       if (check_tsc_unstable()) {
> >+               vcpu->arch.tsc_rebase = 1;
> >+               kvm_make_request(KVM_REQ_CLOCK_UPDATE, vcpu);
> >+       }
> >
> >
> >kvm_guest_time_update is becoming very confusing too. I understand this
> >is due to the many cases its dealing with, but please make it as simple
> >as possible.
> 
> I tried to comment as best as I could.  I think the whole
> "kvm_update_tsc_trapping" thing is probably a poor design choice.
> It works, but it's thoroughly unintelligible right now without
> spending some days figuring out why.
> 
> I'll rework the tail series of patches to try to make them more clear.
> 
> >+       /*
> >+        * If we are trapping and no longer need to, use catchup to
> >+        * ensure passthrough TSC will not be less than trapped TSC
> >+        */
> >+       if (vcpu->tsc_mode == TSC_MODE_PASSTHROUGH&&  vcpu->tsc_trapping&&
> >+           ((this_tsc_khz<= v->kvm->arch.virtual_tsc_khz || kvmclock))) {
> >+               catchup = 1;
> >
> >What, TSC trapping with kvmclock enabled?
> 
> Transitioning to use of kvmclock after a cold boot means we may have
> been trapping and now we will not be.
> 
> >For both catchup and trapping the resolution of the host clock is
> >important, as Glauber commented for kvmclock. Can you comment on the
> >problems that arrive from a low res clock for both modes?
> >
> >Similarly for catchup mode, the effect of exit frequency. No need for
> >any guarantees?
> 
> The scheduler will do something to get an IRQ at whatever resolution
> it uses for it's timeslice.  That guarantees an exit per timeslice,
> so we'll never be behind by more than one slice while scheduling.
> While not scheduling, we're dormant anyway, waiting on either an IRQ
> or shared memory variable change.  Local timers could end up behind
> when dormant.
> 
> We may need a hack to accelerate firing of timers in such a case, or
> perhaps bounds on when to use catchup mode and when to not.

What about emulating rdtsc with low res clock? 

"The RDTSC instruction reads the time-stamp counter and is guaranteed to
return a monotonically increasing unique value whenever executed, except
for a 64-bit counter wraparound."

> Partly, the lack of implementation is by deliberate choice; the
> logic involved with setting such bounds and wisdom of doing so is a
> choice most likely to be done by a policy agent in userspace, in our
> case, qemu.  In the end, that is what has full control over the
> setting or not of guest TSC rate and choice of TSC mode.
> 
> What's lacking is the ability to force the use of a certain mode.  I
> think it's clear now, that needs to be a per-VM choice, not a global
> one.
> 
> Zach

  reply	other threads:[~2010-08-25 22:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <1282291669-25709-1-git-send-email-zamsden@redhat.com>
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 01/35] Drop vm_init_tsc Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20 16:54   ` Glauber Costa
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 02/35] Convert TSC writes to TSC offset writes Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 03/35] Move TSC offset writes to common code Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20 17:06   ` Glauber Costa
2010-08-24  0:51     ` Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 04/35] Fix SVM VMCB reset Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 05/35] Move TSC reset out of vmcb_init Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20 17:08   ` Glauber Costa
2010-08-24  0:52     ` Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 06/35] TSC reset compensation Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 07/35] Make cpu_tsc_khz updates use local CPU Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 08/35] Warn about unstable TSC Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20 17:28   ` Glauber Costa
2010-08-24  0:56     ` Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 09/35] Unify TSC logic Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 10/35] Fix deep C-state TSC desynchronization Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20 17:30   ` Glauber Costa
2010-09-14  9:10   ` Jan Kiszka
2010-09-14  9:27     ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-14 10:40       ` Jan Kiszka
2010-09-14 10:47         ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-14 19:32         ` Zachary Amsden
2010-09-14 22:26           ` Jan Kiszka
2010-09-14 23:40             ` Zachary Amsden
2010-09-15  5:34               ` Jan Kiszka
2010-09-15  7:55                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-15  8:04                   ` Jan Kiszka
2010-09-15 12:29               ` Glauber Costa
2010-09-15  4:07     ` Zachary Amsden
2010-09-15  8:09       ` Jan Kiszka
2010-09-15 12:32         ` Glauber Costa
2010-09-15 18:27           ` Jan Kiszka
2010-09-17 22:09             ` Zachary Amsden
2010-09-17 22:31               ` Zachary Amsden
2010-09-18 23:53                 ` Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 11/35] Add helper functions for time computation Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20 17:34   ` Glauber Costa
2010-08-24  0:58     ` Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 12/35] Robust TSC compensation Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20 17:40   ` Glauber Costa
2010-08-24  1:01     ` Zachary Amsden
2010-08-24 21:33   ` Daniel Verkamp
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 13/35] Perform hardware_enable in CPU_STARTING callback Zachary Amsden
2010-08-27 16:32   ` Jan Kiszka
2010-08-27 23:43     ` Zachary Amsden
2010-08-30  9:10       ` Jan Kiszka
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 14/35] Add clock sync request to hardware enable Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 15/35] Move scale_delta into common header Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 16/35] Fix a possible backwards warp of kvmclock Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 17/35] Implement getnsboottime kernel API Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20 18:39   ` john stultz
2010-08-20 23:37     ` Zachary Amsden
2010-08-21  0:02       ` john stultz
2010-08-21  0:52         ` Zachary Amsden
2010-08-21  1:04           ` john stultz
2010-08-21  1:22             ` Zachary Amsden
2010-08-27 18:05   ` Jan Kiszka
2010-08-27 23:48     ` Zachary Amsden
2010-08-30 18:07       ` Jan Kiszka
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 18/35] Use getnsboottime in KVM Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 19/35] Add timekeeping documentation Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20 17:50   ` Glauber Costa
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 20/35] Make math work for other scales Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 21/35] Track max tsc_khz Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 22/35] Track tsc last write in vcpu Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 23/35] Set initial TSC rate conversion factors Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 24/35] Timer request function renaming Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 25/35] Add clock catchup mode Zachary Amsden
2010-08-25 17:27   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2010-08-25 20:48     ` Zachary Amsden
2010-08-25 22:01       ` Marcelo Tosatti [this message]
2010-08-25 23:38         ` Glauber Costa
2010-08-26  0:17         ` Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 26/35] Catchup slower TSC to guest rate Zachary Amsden
2010-09-07  3:44   ` Dong, Eddie
2010-09-07 22:14     ` Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 27/35] Add TSC trapping Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 28/35] Unstable TSC write compensation Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 29/35] TSC overrun protection Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 30/35] IOCTL for setting TSC rate Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20 17:56   ` Glauber Costa
2010-08-21 16:11     ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 31/35] Exit conditions for TSC trapping Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 32/35] Entry " Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 33/35] Indicate reliable TSC in kvmclock Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20 17:45   ` Glauber Costa
2010-08-24  1:14     ` Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 34/35] Remove dead code Zachary Amsden
2010-08-20  8:07 ` [KVM timekeeping 35/35] Add some debug stuff Zachary Amsden

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