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From: Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@vyatta.com>
To: Marc Aurele La France <tsi@ualberta.ca>
Cc: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>,
	Ben Hutchings <bhutchings@solarflare.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Alexey Kuznetsov <kuznet@ms2.inr.ac.ru>,
	"Pekka Savola (ipv6)" <pekkas@netcore.fi>,
	James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
	Hideaki YOSHIFUJI <yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org>,
	Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>
Subject: Re: RFC: MTU for serving NFS on Infiniband
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 16:53:59 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100826165359.3b79b27d@nehalam> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.WNT.2.00.1008260835020.2008@cluij.ucs.ualberta.ca>

On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 08:43:42 -0600 (Mountain Daylight Time)
Marc Aurele La France <tsi@ualberta.ca> wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Aug 2010, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> > Le jeudi 26 août 2010 à 05:40 -0600, Marc Aurele La France a écrit :
> 
> >> Steady now.  There's no need to YELL nor be arrogant.  You and I both know
> >> there's a place for NFS over UDP.  That's not changing any time soon.  While
> >> I'm aware of the issue you brought up, it is separate from the one at hand in
> >> this discussion.
> 
> >> I do want to thank you, however, for reminding me of TCP.  It's something
> >> 20/20 hindsight says I should have checked out before starting this thread.
> >> Logistically, it'll be a few days before I can do so though.  If that allows
> >> me to increase the MTU all the way up to 65520, then this UDP thing will
> >> likely remain unresolved.
> 
> > Unfortunately, your infiniband device lacks NETIF_F_SG support.
> 
> Oh, the device itself probably has something similar, but ipoib 
> (IP-over-Infiniband) doesn't export that capability.
> 
> > MTU a bit larger than PAGE_SIZE-overhead will need high order
> > allocations ?
> 
> Right.  And a 65520 MTU allocates sk_buff's with 128K contiguous payloads.

Infiniband device driver needs to be fixed to do SG and checksum offload.
Otherwise it is insane to try and run large MTU over it. I even wonder if
the dev_change_mtu() function should reject > PAGESIZE mtu for devices
that don't do scatter/gather or at least a raise a warning.

  reply	other threads:[~2010-08-26 23:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-08-23 14:44 RFC: MTU for serving NFS on Infiniband Marc Aurele La France
2010-08-23 15:05 ` Stephen Hemminger
2010-08-24 15:14   ` Marc Aurele La France
2010-08-24 17:57     ` Ben Hutchings
2010-08-24 19:49       ` Marc Aurele La France
2010-08-24 20:09         ` Eric Dumazet
2010-08-24 20:33           ` Marc Aurele La France
2010-08-24 22:20         ` Ben Hutchings
2010-08-24 22:39           ` Stephen Hemminger
2010-08-25  5:54             ` Eric Dumazet
2010-08-25 12:10               ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2010-08-25 12:17                 ` Eric Dumazet
2010-08-26 11:40             ` Marc Aurele La France
2010-08-26 11:57               ` Eric Dumazet
2010-08-26 14:43                 ` Marc Aurele La France
2010-08-26 23:53                   ` Stephen Hemminger [this message]
2010-08-27  0:06                     ` David Miller
2010-08-27 16:20                     ` Roland Dreier
2010-08-27 17:16                       ` Roland Dreier
2010-08-27 17:53                         ` Marc Aurele La France
2010-08-26 14:58               ` Chuck Lever
2010-09-30 18:50               ` Marc Aurele La France
2010-08-23 15:12 ` Ben Hutchings

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