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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>, Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/11] sched: CFS low-latency features
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 11:02:28 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100831150228.GA3694@Krystal> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100827195751.GA1030@Krystal>

* Mathieu Desnoyers (mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com) wrote:
> * Peter Zijlstra (peterz@infradead.org) wrote:
> > On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 14:32 -0400, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> > > 
> > > These are problems you get only when you allow spawning any number of threads.
> > > If, instead, you create a thread pool at timer creation, then you can allow
> > > concurrency without problems with spawner context and error proparation.
> > 
> > That would be a massive resource waste for the normal case where the
> > interval > handler runtime.
> 
> Not if the application can configure this value. So the "normal" case could be
> set to 1 single thread. Only resource-intensive apps would set this differently,
> e.g. to the detected number of cpus.

.. but as we discussed in private, this would involve adding extra attribute
fields to what the standard proposes. I think the problem comes from the fact
that POSIX considers the pthread attributes to contain every possible thread
attribute one can imagine, which does not take into account the internal kernel
state set by other interfaces.

So this leaves us with a single-threaded SIGEV_THREAD, which is pretty much
useless. But at least it is not totally impossible for glibc to get it right by
moving to an implementation which uses only one thread.

So until one finds the time to work on fixing glibc SIGEV_THREAD timers, I would
strongly recommend against using it.

Thanks,

Mathieu

> 
> Mathieu
> 
> 
> -- 
> Mathieu Desnoyers
> Operating System Efficiency R&D Consultant
> EfficiOS Inc.
> http://www.efficios.com

-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
Operating System Efficiency R&D Consultant
EfficiOS Inc.
http://www.efficios.com

  reply	other threads:[~2010-08-31 15:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-08-26 18:09 [RFC PATCH 00/11] sched: CFS low-latency features Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-26 18:09 ` [RFC PATCH 01/11] sched: fix string comparison in features Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-26 18:09 ` [RFC PATCH 02/11] sched: debug spread check account for nr_running Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-26 18:09 ` [RFC PATCH 03/11] sched: FAIR_SLEEPERS feature Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-26 18:09 ` [RFC PATCH 04/11] sched: debug cleanup place entity Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-26 18:09 ` [RFC PATCH 05/11] sched buddy enable buddy logic starting at 2 running threads Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-26 18:09 ` [RFC PATCH 06/11] sched: dynamic min_vruntime Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-26 18:09 ` [RFC PATCH 07/11] sched rename struct task in_iowait field to sched_in_iowait Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-26 18:09 ` [RFC PATCH 08/11] sched input interactivity-driven next buddy Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-26 18:09 ` [RFC PATCH 09/11] sched: timer-driven " Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-27 18:02   ` [RFC PATCH 09/11] sched: timer-driven next buddy (update) Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-27 18:14     ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-08-26 18:09 ` [RFC PATCH 10/11] sched: fork expedited Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-26 18:09 ` [RFC PATCH 11/11] sched: fair sleepers for timer and interactive Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-26 18:57 ` [RFC PATCH 00/11] sched: CFS low-latency features Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-26 21:25   ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-08-26 22:22     ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-08-26 23:09       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-26 23:36         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-27  7:38           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-27 15:23             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-27  8:43           ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-08-27 15:50             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-27  7:37         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-27 15:21           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-27 15:41             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-27 16:09               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-27 17:27                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-27 18:32                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-27 19:23                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-27 19:57                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-31 15:02                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2010-08-26 23:18       ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-26 23:28         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-26 23:38           ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-26 23:53             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-27  0:09               ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-08-27 15:18                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-27 15:20                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-08-27 15:30                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-27 15:41                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-26 23:49   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-27  7:42     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-27  8:19       ` Mike Galbraith
2010-08-27 15:43         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-27 18:38           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-08-28  7:33             ` Mike Galbraith
2010-08-27 10:47 ` Indan Zupancic
2010-08-27 10:58   ` Peter Zijlstra

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