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From: Martin Steigerwald <Martin@lichtvoll.de>
To: Florian Mickler <florian@mickler.org>
Cc: "Ted Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Paolo Ornati <ornati@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: help with git bisecting a bug 16376: random - possibly Radeon DRM KMS related - freezes
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:49:02 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201009101549.03845.Martin@lichtvoll.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100910135511.53c0089a@schatten.dmk.lab>

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Am Freitag 10 September 2010 schrieb Florian Mickler:
> On Thu, 9 Sep 2010 16:18:49 +0200
> 
> Martin Steigerwald <Martin@lichtvoll.de> wrote:
> > Yes, I am aware that it may not be a Ext4 problem at all. Thus I said
> > Ext4 / readahead related (!) backtrace (! not bug) cause that was
> > all I could see on the screen. How else should I have described that
> > backtrace when I can't speculate on what I can not see?
> 
> I think, it is no big thing. The trick is probably to say nothing at
> all about the cause, when it is not clear. It's a mind thing. As soon
> as the association is brought up, everybody thinks along those lines. 
> :)
> 
> If you leave out the "ext4/readahead related", then people will still
> know that it might be ext4 readahead related because you posted the
> backtrace, but they will not have their mind turned to that. Instead
> they will think: oh a backtrace... there were some people shouting
> about backtraces in my area, let's see if it is realted.

OTOH I thought when I put in some keywords from the backtrace in my query 
it might get the attention of the right people. When I just say unknown 
backtrace, then I am adressing no one.

> But of course, sometimes putting blame somewhere also does help getting
> attention. After all "CORRUPTION IN FILESYSTEM XYZ" sticks out more
> than "partial trace of a thing i don't know anything at all".

I wouldn't do that for sensational purposes.

Maybe next time: "Fails to boot with partially shown backtrace, with some 
ext4 / readahead function calls inside it"? Or even more general some I/O 
/ filesystem related functions?

-- 
Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de
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  reply	other threads:[~2010-09-10 13:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-08-31 19:53 help with git bisecting a bug 16376: random - possibly Radeon DRM KMS related - freezes Martin Steigerwald
2010-08-31 22:39 ` Ken Moffat
2010-09-01 16:10   ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-09-01 18:13     ` Ken Moffat
2010-09-01 18:47 ` Paolo Ornati
2010-09-01 19:26   ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-09-05  7:53   ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-09-05 12:20     ` Paolo Ornati
2010-09-05 13:25       ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-09-07  2:51     ` Ted Ts'o
2010-09-09 14:18       ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-09-10 11:55         ` Florian Mickler
2010-09-10 13:49           ` Martin Steigerwald [this message]
2010-09-10 15:53             ` Theodore Tso
2010-09-10 16:18               ` Martin Steigerwald

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