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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: Oren Laadan <orenl@cs.columbia.edu>,
	ksummit-2010-discuss@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2010-discuss] checkpoint-restart: naked patch
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 22:47:06 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101102214706.GA28593@lst.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4CD08419.5050803@kernel.org>

Thanks Tejun,

your writeup brought up a lot of the same issues that I see with
the in-kernel C/R.  Various C/R implementations that are entirely
in userspace or with limited kernel assistance have been in production
in HPC environments for years.  I think especially for these workloads
C/R is an extremly useful feature, and a standard implementation would
do Linux well.

But I think the "transparent" in-kernel one is the wrong approach.  It
tries to give the illusion that C/R will just work, while a lot of
things are simply not support.  In this case whitelisting the allowed
state by requiring special APIs for all I/O (or even just standard
APIs as long as they are supposed by the C/R lib you're linked against)
is the more pragmatic, and I think faithful aproach.  In addition to
the amount of state not supported despite looking transparant the
other big problem with the patchset is that it saves the kernel internal
state which changes all the time from one release to another.  The
handwaiving is that a userspace tool will solve it.  I'm pretty sure
that's not the case; it might solve a few cases but the general
version n to version m conversion is impossible to maintain.  Just look
at the problem qemu has migration between just a handfull of version
of the relatively well (compared to random kernel state) defined vmstate
format.



  reply	other threads:[~2010-11-02 21:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 111+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.64.1011021530470.12128@takamine.ncl.cs.columbia.edu>
2010-11-02 21:35 ` [Ksummit-2010-discuss] checkpoint-restart: naked patch Tejun Heo
2010-11-02 21:47   ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2010-11-04  1:47     ` Nathan Lynch
2010-11-04  7:36       ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-04 16:04         ` Gene Cooperman
2010-11-04 20:45         ` Nathan Lynch
2010-11-06  6:48           ` Matt Helsley
2010-11-04  4:34     ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-04 14:25       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-04  3:40   ` Kapil Arya
2010-11-04  8:05     ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-04 16:44       ` Gene Cooperman
2010-11-05  9:28         ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-05 23:18           ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-06 10:13             ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-06  0:36           ` Kapil Arya
2010-11-06 22:55             ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-07 19:42               ` Gene Cooperman
2010-11-07 21:30                 ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-07 23:05                   ` Gene Cooperman
2010-11-08  3:55                     ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-08 16:26                       ` Gene Cooperman
2010-11-08 18:14                         ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-08 18:37                           ` Gene Cooperman
2010-11-08 19:34                             ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-08 19:05                         ` Dan Smith
2010-11-17 11:14                           ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-17 15:33                             ` Dan Smith
2010-11-17 15:40                               ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-17 17:04                                 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-17 10:45             ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-17 12:12               ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-06  5:32           ` Matt Helsley
2010-11-06 15:01             ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-06 20:40             ` Gene Cooperman
2010-11-06 22:41               ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-07 18:49                 ` Gene Cooperman
2010-11-07 21:59                   ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-17 11:57                     ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-17 15:39                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-11-17 15:46                         ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-18  9:13                           ` Pavel Emelyanov
2010-11-18  9:48                             ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-18 20:13                               ` Jose R. Santos
2010-11-19  3:54                               ` Serge Hallyn
2010-11-18 19:53                           ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-19  4:10                           ` Serge Hallyn
2010-11-19 14:04                             ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-19 14:36                               ` Kirill Korotaev
2010-11-19 15:33                                 ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-19 16:00                                   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-19 16:01                                     ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-19 16:10                                       ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-19 16:25                                         ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-19 16:06                                     ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-19 16:16                                       ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-19 16:19                                         ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-19 16:27                                           ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-19 16:32                                             ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-19 16:38                                               ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-19 16:50                                                 ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-19 16:55                                                   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-20 17:58                                   ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-20 18:05                               ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-20 18:08                               ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-20 18:11                               ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-20 18:15                                 ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-20 19:33                                   ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-21  8:18                                     ` Gene Cooperman
2010-11-21  8:21                                       ` Gene Cooperman
2010-11-22 18:02                                         ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2010-11-23 17:53                                         ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-24  3:50                                           ` Kapil Arya
2010-11-25 16:04                                             ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-29  4:09                                               ` Gene Cooperman
2010-11-21 22:41                                       ` Grant Likely
2010-11-22 17:34                                       ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-22 17:18                                     ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-17 22:17                       ` Matt Helsley
2010-11-18 10:06                         ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-18 20:25                         ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-07 21:44               ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-07 23:31                 ` Gene Cooperman
2010-11-05 22:24       ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-04  4:03   ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-04  9:43     ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-04 12:48       ` Luck, Tony
2010-11-04 13:06         ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-06 10:12       ` Matt Helsley
2010-11-06 11:03         ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-07 22:59         ` Davide Libenzi
2010-11-08  2:32           ` david
2010-11-18 20:41             ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-05  3:55     ` Kapil Arya
2010-11-05 11:57       ` Luck, Tony
2010-11-05 17:17         ` Gene Cooperman
2010-11-06  1:16           ` Matt Helsley
2010-11-06  4:06             ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-06  5:18               ` Matt Helsley
2010-11-06 21:00           ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-05 17:31       ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2010-11-06 21:05       ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-08 16:55 ` Grant Likely
2010-11-08 21:01   ` Nathan Lynch
2010-11-11  6:27   ` Nathan Lynch
2010-11-17  5:29   ` Anton Blanchard
2010-11-17 11:08     ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-18  9:53     ` Alan Cox
2010-11-18 12:27       ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-19  6:33     ` Gene Cooperman
2010-11-21 23:20     ` Grant Likely

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