From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Marcus Meissner <meissner@suse.de>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, jason.wessel@windriver.com,
fweisbec@gmail.com, tj@kernel.org, mort@sgi.com, akpm@osdl.org,
security@kernel.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] kernel: make /proc/kallsyms mode 400 to reduce ease of attacking
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 14:58:02 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101104135802.GA31416@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101104122906.GH25118@suse.de>
* Marcus Meissner <meissner@suse.de> wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 04, 2010 at 12:46:48PM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> >
> > * Marcus Meissner <meissner@suse.de> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Making /proc/kallsyms readable only for root makes it harder for attackers to
> > > write generic kernel exploits by removing one source of knowledge where things are
> > > in the kernel.
> >
> > Cc:-ed Linus - i think he argued in favor of such a patch in the past.
> >
> > I generally agree with such patches (i have written some myself), but there's a few
> > questions with this one, which make this limited change ineffective and which make
> > it harder to implement a fuller patch that makes it truly harder to figure out the
> > precise kernel build:
> >
> > - The real security obstruction effect is very small from this measure alone: the
> > overwhelming majority of our users are running distro kernels, so the Symbol.map
> > file (and hence 99% of /proc/kallsyms content) is well-known - unless we also
> > restrict 'uname -r' from nonprivileged users-ace. Hiding that might make sense -
> > but the two should be in one patch really.
>
> Of course. System.map and others also need to turn to mode 400.
That is not what I meant, at all.
It's not the System.map _on the system_.
It's the SuSE or Fedora kernel rpm package with a System.map in it, which
package the attacker can download from a hundred mirrors on the internet,
based on 'uname -r' output.
You cannot obfuscate the System.map of a distro kernel without obfuscating all
identification info. (Note that even the pure size of the System.map might tell a
kernel rpm version from another ...)
Ingo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-11-04 13:58 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-11-04 10:09 [PATCH] kernel: make /proc/kallsyms mode 400 to reduce ease of attacking Marcus Meissner
2010-11-04 10:11 ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-05 0:11 ` [Security] " Eugene Teo
2010-11-04 11:46 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-04 12:29 ` Marcus Meissner
2010-11-04 13:58 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2010-11-04 14:11 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-04 14:33 ` Marcus Meissner
2010-11-04 14:38 ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-04 14:43 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-11-04 14:48 ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-04 19:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-04 21:29 ` [Security] " Willy Tarreau
2010-11-04 21:51 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-04 22:35 ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-04 23:46 ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-07 8:50 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07 9:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07 9:49 ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-07 11:27 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07 11:41 ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-07 11:47 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07 11:56 ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-07 12:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07 12:22 ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-07 12:25 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07 12:39 ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-07 12:32 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07 12:51 ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-07 15:27 ` Alan Cox
2010-11-08 6:29 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07 11:42 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07 11:51 ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-07 12:37 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07 12:55 ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-07 8:56 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-07 9:03 ` Ingo Molnar
[not found] ` <20101104215157.GA25128@ <20101107090805.GA27983@elte.hu>
2010-11-13 13:06 ` Gilles Espinasse
2010-11-07 18:02 ` Andi Kleen
2010-11-07 18:32 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-11-10 8:53 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-11 2:51 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-11-11 7:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-05 2:38 ` Frank Rowand
2010-11-10 20:58 ` Jesper Juhl
2010-11-05 0:20 ` Jesper Juhl
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-11-16 10:46 Marcus Meissner
2010-11-17 5:07 ` Kyle McMartin
2010-11-18 7:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-20 3:18 ` Kees Cook
2010-11-26 7:51 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-17 5:40 ` Kyle Moffett
2010-11-17 5:41 ` Kyle Moffett
2010-11-17 5:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-17 6:19 ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-18 7:31 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-23 17:24 ` Pavel Machek
2010-11-26 7:38 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-29 19:03 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-11-20 11:32 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-19 19:19 ` Sarah Sharp
2010-11-19 19:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-19 19:58 ` david
2010-11-19 20:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-19 20:16 ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-19 20:55 ` david
2010-11-26 7:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-29 16:33 ` Sarah Sharp
2010-11-29 18:04 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-29 19:05 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-11-29 19:21 ` Eric Paris
2010-11-29 19:38 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-11-29 21:49 ` Willy Tarreau
2010-11-29 23:31 ` Alan Cox
2010-11-30 11:58 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-20 11:05 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-11-19 21:12 Andy Walls
2010-11-19 23:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-20 2:40 ` Kees Cook
2010-11-20 19:47 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2010-11-29 22:58 ` Kevin Easton
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