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From: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>
To: Vladislav Bolkhovitin <vvvvvst@gmail.com>
Cc: Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>,
	Richard Williams <richard@etechsoft.com>,
	Bart Van Assche <bvanassche@acm.org>,
	Boaz Harrosh <bharrosh@panasas.com>,
	FUJITA Tomonori <fujita.tomonori@lab.ntt.co.jp>,
	Mike Christie <michaelc@cs.wisc.edu>,
	"linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org" <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
	scst-devel <scst-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.de>, Andy Yan <ayan@marvell.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Vu Pham <vuhuong@mellanox.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Joel Becker <joel.becker@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [Scst-devel] [PATCH 8/19]: SCST SYSFS interface implementation
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 13:16:49 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101119211649.GA28606@kroah.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4CE6E323.8080703@gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 11:50:43PM +0300, Vladislav Bolkhovitin wrote:
> Dmitry Torokhov, on 11/19/2010 11:22 PM wrote:
> >> None of the SCST objects are Linux devices. None of them has entries in
> >> /dev, none of them needs to send any events to udev and none of them
> >> sends or receives data from DMA, hence has any DMA parameters or
> >> restrictions. So, how can them fit into the driver/bus/device model you
> >> are enforcing?
> > 
> > Note that the entities in /sys/devices/... tree and not necessarily
> > physical devices bit rather interface abstractionss. Consider, for
> > example, /sys/class/input/*. None of the "devices" there talk directly
> > to hardware, do DMA or other things. Some of them don't even talk to
> > usrespace directly but rather through additional interfaces (evdev.
> > mousedev, ect). Still they are represented there and even have suspend
> > and resume methods (because even for logical devices it makes sense to
> > save and restore some state).

This is correct.

> SCST devices are not even logical devices. As I wrote, "devices" word is
> misleading. SCST devices are converse of what Linux means under this
> word. SCST devices are like NFS exports: a place where those events
> generated and those requests received.

No, that's fine.

> Think of SCST device as if it sits on the opposite side of the PCI bus
> of the corresponding SCSI device Linux sees in /sys/class and /sys/bus.

Again, that's fine, look at usb gadgets, it's the same thing.

> So, if we need Linux devices for SCST devices, we create them using
> scst_local driver. And then, of course, all them have their place in
> /sys/class/ and /sys/bus.

No, just /sys/bus/ which will cause them to become part of the big
device tree in /sys/devices/

Again, use this interface, it is what it is there for, to not use it is
just wrong.

good luck,

greg k-h

  reply	other threads:[~2010-11-19 21:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-10-01 21:34 [PATCHv4 0/19]: New SCSI target framework (SCST) with dev handlers and 2 target drivers Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-01 21:36 ` [PATCH 1/19]: Integration of SCST into the Linux kernel tree Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-01 21:36 ` [PATCH 2/19]: SCST core's Makefile and Kconfig Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-01 21:38 ` [PATCH 3/19]: SCST public headers Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-01 21:39 ` [PATCH 4/19]: SCST main management files and private headers Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-01 21:42 ` [PATCH 5/19]: SCST implementation of the SCSI target state machine Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-01 21:43 ` [PATCH 6/19]: SCST internal library functions Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-01 21:44 ` [PATCH 7/19]: SCST Persistent Reservations implementation Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-01 21:46 ` [PATCH 8/19]: SCST SYSFS interface implementation Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-09 21:20   ` Greg KH
2010-10-11 19:29     ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-11 21:32       ` Greg KH
2010-10-12 18:53         ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-12 19:03           ` Greg KH
2010-10-14 19:48             ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-14 20:04               ` Greg KH
2010-10-22 17:30                 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-22 17:56                   ` Greg KH
2010-10-22 18:40                     ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-22 18:54                       ` Greg KH
2010-11-08 19:58                         ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-11-09  0:28                           ` Greg KH
2010-11-09 20:06                             ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-11-10  9:58                               ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-11-10 20:19                                 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-11-10 20:29                                   ` Joe Eykholt
2010-11-10 20:38                                     ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-11-10 20:42                                     ` Joe Eykholt
2010-11-11  9:59                                   ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-11-11 12:04                                     ` Greg KH
2010-11-11 14:05                                       ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-11-11 14:16                                         ` Greg KH
2010-11-11 14:19                                           ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-11-11 20:50                                     ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-11-12  1:23                                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2010-11-12 12:09                                         ` Bart Van Assche
2010-11-12 18:44                                           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2010-11-13 10:52                                             ` Bart Van Assche
2010-11-13 17:20                                         ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-11-13 23:59                                           ` Greg KH
2010-11-15  6:59                                             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2010-11-15 17:53                                               ` Bart Van Assche
2010-11-15 20:36                                               ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-11-15  9:46                                             ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-11-15 16:16                                               ` Greg KH
2010-11-15 17:19                                                 ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-11-15 17:49                                                   ` Bart Van Assche
2010-11-15 20:19                                                     ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2010-11-16 13:12                                                       ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-11-16 11:59                                                     ` [Scst-devel] " Richard Williams
2010-11-16 13:17                                                       ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-11-18 21:02                                                         ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-11-18 21:46                                                           ` Greg KH
2010-11-19 18:00                                                             ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-11-19 20:22                                                               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2010-11-19 20:50                                                                 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-11-19 21:16                                                                   ` Greg KH [this message]
2010-11-24 20:35                                                                     ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-11-19 21:19                                                               ` Greg KH
2010-12-10 12:06                                                                 ` Bart Van Assche
2010-12-10 19:36                                                                   ` Greg KH
2010-12-14 14:10                                                                     ` Bart Van Assche
2010-11-19 18:01                                                             ` Bart Van Assche
2010-11-15 20:39                                                   ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-11-15 20:39                                                 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-11-15 17:45                                             ` Bart Van Assche
2010-11-15 18:44                                               ` Greg KH
2010-11-15 20:39                                                 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-11-15 22:13                                                   ` Greg KH
2010-11-16  5:04                                                     ` Joe Eykholt
2010-11-16  6:03                                                       ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2010-11-16  8:49                                                       ` Florian Mickler
2010-11-16 13:18                                                       ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-11-16  7:15                                                     ` Bart Van Assche
2010-11-16 13:19                                                     ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-11-15 20:36                                             ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-11-15  7:04                                           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2010-11-15 20:37                                             ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-11-15 21:14                                               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2010-11-16 13:13                                                 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-01 21:46 ` [PATCH 9/19]: SCST debugging support routines Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-01 21:48 ` [PATCH 10/19]: SCST SGV cache Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-01 21:48 ` [PATCH 11/19]: SCST core's docs Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-01 21:49 ` [PATCH 12/19]: SCST dev handlers' Makefile Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-01 21:50 ` [PATCH 13/19]: SCST vdisk dev handler Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-01 21:51 ` [PATCH 14/19]: SCST pass-through dev handlers Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-01 21:53 ` [PATCH 15/19]: Implementation of blk_rq_map_kern_sg() Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-01 21:57 ` [PATCH 16/19]: scst_local target driver Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-01 21:58 ` [PATCH 17/19]: SCST InfiniBand SRP " Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-01 22:04 ` [PATCH 18/19]: ibmvstgt: Port from tgt to SCST Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-01 22:05 ` [PATCH 19/19]: tgt: Removal Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2010-10-02  7:40 ` [PATCHv4 0/19]: New SCSI target framework (SCST) with dev handlers and 2 target drivers Bart Van Assche
2010-10-06 20:21 ` [Scst-devel] " Steve Modica

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