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From: Cornelia Huck <cornelia.huck@de.ibm.com>
To: Greg KH <gregkh@suse.de>
Cc: Sebastian Ott <sebott@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] bind/unbind uevent
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 14:21:13 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101215142113.7d416d78@gondolin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101214192952.GA9106@suse.de>

On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 11:29:52 -0800,
Greg KH <gregkh@suse.de> wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 07:26:40PM +0100, Sebastian Ott wrote:
> > 
> > On Mon, 13 Dec 2010, Greg KH wrote:
> > > On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 08:27:45PM +0100, Sebastian Ott wrote:

> > > Don't do that, have your _driver_ register the attributes with the bus
> > > it is on, then when the binding happens, the attributes will
> > > automatically get created for the device before the notification is sent
> > > to userspace.  That is the proper proceedure here.
> > 
> > are you suggesting that these driver specific device attributes should be
> > created by the bus code which registers the device?
> 
> Yes.
> 
> > at this time it is not determinable which driver will bind to the device
> > (and therefore which attributes to create), also driver specific data may 
> > not be initialized.
> 
> {sigh}
> 
> Please go _look_ at how the driver model handles this type of thing.  It
> does _exactly_ what you want, as we have been doing it for _years_
> properly.
> 

I don't understand how this could work. All of the attribute (groups)
registered before the uevent are driver-ignorant. If the bus wants to
specify the attributes, it needs to know the driver the device will
bind to (regardless of whatever tables exist that show the driver <->
attribute relationship). But it cannot know the driver until after the
uevent. Or else it would need to create _all_ attributes for _all_
devices (surely you didn't mean that)? And what happens with drivers
that are loaded later on?

Could you please elaborate on how the attributes could be created in a
compatible way with today's driver core?

Cornelia

  reply	other threads:[~2010-12-15 13:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-12-07 16:18 [RFC] bind/unbind uevent Sebastian Ott
2010-12-07 16:27 ` Greg KH
2010-12-07 17:29   ` Sebastian Ott
2010-12-07 18:33     ` Greg KH
2010-12-07 19:00       ` Kay Sievers
2010-12-08 10:18         ` Sebastian Ott
2010-12-08 16:02           ` Greg KH
2010-12-13 19:27             ` Sebastian Ott
2010-12-13 19:36               ` Greg KH
2010-12-14 18:26                 ` Sebastian Ott
2010-12-14 19:29                   ` Greg KH
2010-12-15 13:21                     ` Cornelia Huck [this message]
2010-12-15 16:23                       ` Greg KH
2010-12-15 17:35                         ` Cornelia Huck
2010-12-15 17:51                           ` Kay Sievers
2010-12-15 18:08                             ` Cornelia Huck
2010-12-15 18:18                               ` Greg KH
2010-12-16 10:22                                 ` Cornelia Huck
2010-12-08 10:16       ` Sebastian Ott
2010-12-08 16:01         ` Greg KH

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