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From: Lennart Poettering <mzxreary@0pointer.de>
To: Scott James Remnant <scott@netsplit.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] exit: PR_SET_ANCHOR for marking processes as reapers for  child processes
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 16:44:59 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101223154458.GB17788@tango.0pointer.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=GGGP4vK1hOBn-+oCAM1gFXg_XUfLeTFM2CqA_@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, 21.12.10 12:05, Scott James Remnant (scott@netsplit.com) wrote:

> > PID namespaces primarily provide an independent PID numbering scheme for
> > a subset of processes, i.e. so that identical may PIDs refer to different
> > processes depending on the namespace they are running in. As a side
> > effect this also provides init-like behaviour for processes that aren't
> > the original PID 1 of the operating system. For systemd we are only
> > interested in this side effect, but are not interested at all in the
> > renumbering of processes, and in fact would even really dislike if it
> > happened. That's why PR_SET_ANCHOR is useful: it gives us init-like
> > behaviour without renaming all processes.
> >
> Right, but I don't get why you need this behavior to supervise either
> system or user processes.  You already get all the functionality you
> need to track processes via either cgroups or the proc connector (or a
> combination of both).

Well, we want a clean way to get access to the full siginfo_t of the
SIGCHLD for the main process of a service. the proc connector is awful
and cgroups does not pass siginfo_t's back to userspace, hence the
cleanest way to get this done properly and beautifully is to make the
session systemd a mini-init via PR_SET_ANCHOR, because then the per-user
systemd's and the per-system systemd can use the exact same code to
handle process managment.

> So is this really just about making ps look pretty, as Kay says?

That's a side effect, but for me it's mostly about getting a simple way
to get the SIGCHLDs, focussed on the children of the session manager and
with minimal wakeups.

Lennart

-- 
Lennart Poettering - Red Hat, Inc.

  reply	other threads:[~2010-12-23 15:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-02-02 12:04 [PATCH] exit: PR_SET_ANCHOR for marking processes as reapers for child processes Lennart Poettering
2010-02-03  8:24 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-03  9:53   ` Lennart Poettering
2010-02-03 15:31 ` Américo Wang
2010-02-03 17:49   ` Lennart Poettering
2010-02-05  9:54     ` Américo Wang
2010-02-11 10:21       ` Kay Sievers
2010-02-04 15:42 ` Kay Sievers
2010-02-04 20:59   ` Kay Sievers
2010-03-04 14:08 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-03-04 22:14   ` Roland McGrath
2010-03-05 18:51     ` Kay Sievers
2010-03-05 19:18       ` Roland McGrath
2010-03-06  0:24         ` Lennart Poettering
2010-03-09  0:45           ` Ray Lee
2010-03-09 13:19             ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-03-06  0:20     ` Lennart Poettering
2010-03-08 23:11       ` Roland McGrath
2010-03-05  4:47   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-03-05 18:55     ` Kay Sievers
2010-03-06  0:16   ` Lennart Poettering
2010-03-11  4:14     ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-03-11  7:56       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-12-20 14:26 ` Scott James Remnant
2010-12-20 14:51   ` Kay Sievers
2010-12-21  9:56   ` Lennart Poettering
2010-12-21 12:05     ` Scott James Remnant
2010-12-23 15:44       ` Lennart Poettering [this message]
2010-12-23 16:00         ` Scott James Remnant

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