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From: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Jan Beulich <JBeulich@novell.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Stephane Eranian <eranian@google.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>,
	Soeren Sandmann Pedersen <sandmann@redhat.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/2] x86: Fix rbp saving in pt_regs on irq entry
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 17:05:02 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110107160459.GA2751@nowhere> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110107123130.GB20761@elte.hu>

On Fri, Jan 07, 2011 at 01:31:30PM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> 
> * Jan Beulich <JBeulich@novell.com> wrote:
> 
> > > Now I don't understand how this is all useful as this is not a normal proc but 
> > > an interruption. We can't get back the return address from the CFA. Or am I 
> > > missing something?
> > 
> > Unwind annotations, when written correctly, allow unwinding through all kinds of 
> > execution flows, including interrupts or exceptions as well as including stack 
> > switches.
> 
> Yeah and that's rather useful, as exception contexts can nest in very weird ways, 
> especially with NMIs involved. For example a 7-context combination is possible:
> 
>   user-space -> syscall -> pagefault -> softirq -> hardirq -> debug trap -> NMI
> 
> And the call frame walking logic needs to be able to get all the way back to 
> user-space ...
> 
> For that every transition needs to work flawlessly, for debugging (and CFI based 
> profiling) to work fine.
> 
> Most of those transitions can happen at any instruction boundary that a given 
> context executes, so the total number of possible combinations is virtually endless.
> 
> Unfortunately we dont seem to have a good way to test any of this automatically. 
> Putting a perf probe on every assembly instruction perhaps, and checking whether the 
> frame manages to go back all the way to user-space?

May be.

Once I'll have perf callchain based on CFI ready, we'll perhaps find some issues
there. Although I guess there are already tools that can make use of that.

> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2011-01-07 16:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-01-06 14:51 [RFC GIT PULL] perf updates Frederic Weisbecker
2011-01-06 14:51 ` [PATCH 2/2] perf: Build tools with frame pointer Frederic Weisbecker
2011-01-07 15:31   ` [tip:perf/core] perf tools: Build " tip-bot for Frederic Weisbecker
     [not found] ` <1294325513-14276-2-git-send-email-fweisbec@gmail.com>
2011-01-06 15:18   ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] x86: Fix rbp saving in pt_regs on irq entry Jan Beulich
2011-01-06 15:45     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-01-06 16:10       ` Jan Beulich
2011-01-06 16:22         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-01-06 16:39           ` Jan Beulich
2011-01-06 16:54             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-01-06 16:58               ` Jan Beulich
2011-01-06 17:12                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-01-06 17:24                   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-01-07  7:45                   ` Jan Beulich
2011-01-07 12:31                     ` Ingo Molnar
2011-01-07 16:05                       ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2011-01-07 16:13                         ` Jan Beulich
2011-01-07 16:27                           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-01-07 16:58                             ` Ingo Molnar
2011-01-07 17:17                               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-01-07 16:33                           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-01-07 14:26                     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-01-07 12:23 ` [RFC GIT PULL] perf updates Ingo Molnar
2011-01-07 15:24   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-01-07 15:37     ` Ingo Molnar

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