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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: Roland McGrath <roland@redhat.com>,
	oleg@redhat.com, jan.kratochvil@redhat.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] ptrace: use safer wake up on ptrace_detach()
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 11:33:42 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110202113342.3775c997.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110202103402.GB24115@htj.dyndns.org>

On Wed, 2 Feb 2011 11:34:02 +0100
Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> On Tue, Feb 01, 2011 at 09:38:28PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > On Tue,  1 Feb 2011 21:33:31 -0800 (PST) Roland McGrath <roland@redhat.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > > Am unable to work out why you tagged it for backporting.  It fixes some
> > > > observed bug?  Perhaps a regression?
> > > 
> > > No observed bug, only theoretical ones (AFAIK, never even a ginned-up
> > > synthetic test case has been demonstrated).  Certainly not a regression,
> > > since it has been this (wrong) way since the dawn of time.  I don't think
> > > this first change is dangerous for -stable, but I have seen no positive
> > > rationale for pushing it there.
> > > 
> > 
> > OK, thanks.  I shall destabilize my copy of this patch.
> 
> It can be used as an attack vector.  I don't think it will take too
> much effort to come up with an attack which triggers oops somewhere.
> Most sleeps are wrapped in condition test loops and should be safe but
> we have quite a number of places where sleep and wakeup conditions are
> expected to be interlocked.  Although the window of opportunity is
> tiny, ptrace can be used by non-privileged users and with some loading
> the window can definitely be extended and exploited.
> 
> The chance of this problem being visible under normal usage is
> extremely low so no wonder there is no related bug report but that is
> very different from being safe against targeted attacks.
> 
> As the likelihood of causing user noticeable breakage is very low, I
> think we better push it through -stable.
> 

We're learning some lessons about changelogging here :(

I added this:

: This bug can possibly be used as an attack vector.  I don't think
: it will take too much effort to come up with an attack which triggers
: oops somewhere.  Most sleeps are wrapped in condition test loops and
: should be safe but we have quite a number of places where sleep and
: wakeup conditions are expected to be interlocked.  Although the
: window of opportunity is tiny, ptrace can be used by non-privileged
: users and with some loading the window can definitely be extended and
: exploited.

to the changelog so the -stable maintainers can understand why we're
sending this patch at them.


  reply	other threads:[~2011-02-02 19:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 160+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-01-28 15:08 [PATCHSET] ptrace,signal: group stop / ptrace updates Tejun Heo
2011-01-28 15:08 ` [PATCH 01/10] signal: fix SIGCONT notification code Tejun Heo
2011-01-28 15:08 ` [PATCH 02/10] ptrace: remove the extra wake_up_process() from ptrace_detach() Tejun Heo
2011-01-28 18:46   ` Roland McGrath
2011-01-31 10:38     ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-01 10:26       ` [PATCH] ptrace: use safer wake up on ptrace_detach() Tejun Heo
2011-02-01 13:40         ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-01 15:07           ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-01 19:17             ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-02  5:31             ` Roland McGrath
2011-02-02 10:35               ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-02  0:27         ` Andrew Morton
2011-02-02  5:33           ` Roland McGrath
2011-02-02  5:38             ` Andrew Morton
2011-02-02 10:34               ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-02 19:33                 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2011-02-02 20:01                   ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-02 21:40             ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-02  5:29         ` Roland McGrath
2011-02-02  5:28       ` [PATCH 02/10] ptrace: remove the extra wake_up_process() from ptrace_detach() Roland McGrath
2011-01-28 15:08 ` [PATCH 03/10] signal: remove superflous try_to_freeze() loop in do_signal_stop() Tejun Heo
2011-01-28 18:46   ` Roland McGrath
2011-01-28 15:08 ` [PATCH 04/10] ptrace: kill tracehook_notify_jctl() Tejun Heo
2011-01-28 21:09   ` Roland McGrath
2011-01-28 15:08 ` [PATCH 05/10] ptrace: add @why to ptrace_stop() Tejun Heo
2011-01-28 18:48   ` Roland McGrath
2011-01-28 15:08 ` [PATCH 06/10] signal: fix premature completion of group stop when interfered by ptrace Tejun Heo
2011-01-28 21:22   ` Roland McGrath
2011-01-31 11:00     ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-02  5:44       ` Roland McGrath
2011-02-02 10:56         ` Tejun Heo
2011-01-28 15:08 ` [PATCH 07/10] signal: use GROUP_STOP_PENDING to stop once for a single group stop Tejun Heo
2011-01-28 15:08 ` [PATCH 08/10] ptrace: participate in group stop from ptrace_stop() iff the task is trapping for " Tejun Heo
2011-01-28 21:30   ` Roland McGrath
2011-01-31 11:26     ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-02  5:57       ` Roland McGrath
2011-02-02 10:53         ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-03 10:02           ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-01 19:36     ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-01-28 15:08 ` [PATCH 09/10] ptrace: make do_signal_stop() use ptrace_stop() if the task is being ptraced Tejun Heo
2011-01-28 15:08 ` [PATCH 10/10] ptrace: clean transitions between TASK_STOPPED and TRACED Tejun Heo
2011-02-03 20:41   ` [PATCH 0/1] (Was: ptrace: clean transitions between TASK_STOPPED and TRACED) Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-03 20:41     ` [PATCH 1/1] ptrace: make sure do_wait() won't hang after PTRACE_ATTACH Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-03 21:36       ` Roland McGrath
2011-02-03 21:44         ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-04 10:53           ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-04 13:04             ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-04 14:48               ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-04 17:06                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-05 13:39                   ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-07 13:42                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-07 14:11                       ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-07 15:37                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-07 16:31                           ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-07 17:48                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-09 14:18                               ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-09 14:21                                 ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-09 21:25                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-13 23:01                                   ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-02-14  9:03                                     ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-02-14 11:39                                       ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-02-14 17:32                                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-14 16:01                                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-26  3:59                                       ` Pavel Machek
2011-02-14 15:51                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-14 14:50                                   ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-14 18:53                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-13 22:25                                 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-02-14 15:13                                   ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-14 16:15                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-14 16:33                                       ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-14 17:23                                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-14 17:20                                     ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-02-14 17:30                                       ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-14 17:45                                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-14 17:54                                         ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-02-21 15:16                                           ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-21 15:28                                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-21 16:11                                               ` [pseudo patch] ptrace should respect the group stop Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-22 16:24                                               ` [PATCH 1/1] ptrace: make sure do_wait() won't hang after PTRACE_ATTACH Tejun Heo
2011-02-24 21:08                                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-25 15:45                                                   ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-25 17:42                                                     ` Roland McGrath
2011-02-28 15:23                                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-14 17:51                                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-14 18:55                                         ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-02-14 19:01                                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-14 19:42                                             ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-02-14 20:01                                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-15 15:24                                                 ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-15 15:58                                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-15 17:31                                                   ` Roland McGrath
2011-02-15 20:27                                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-18 17:02                                                       ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-18 19:37                                                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-21 16:22                                                           ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-21 16:49                                                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-21 16:59                                                               ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-23 19:31                                                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-25 15:10                                                                   ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-24 20:29                                                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-25 15:51                                                               ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-26  2:48                                                                 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-02-28 12:56                                                                   ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-28 13:16                                                                     ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-02-28 13:29                                                                       ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-28 13:41                                                                         ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-02-28 13:53                                                                           ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-28 14:25                                                                             ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-02-28 14:39                                                                               ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-28 16:48                                                                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-28 14:36                                                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-16 21:51                                       ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-02-17  3:37                                         ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-02-17 19:19                                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-18 21:11                                             ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-02-19 20:16                                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-17 16:49                                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-17 18:58                                           ` Roland McGrath
2011-02-17 19:33                                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-18 21:34                                           ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-02-19 20:06                                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-20  9:40                                               ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-02-20 17:06                                                 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-02-20 17:48                                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-20 19:10                                                   ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-02-20 19:16                                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-20 17:16                                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-20 18:52                                                   ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-02-20 20:38                                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-20 21:06                                                       ` `(T) stopped' preservation after _exit() [Re: [PATCH 1/1] ptrace: make sure do_wait() won't hang after PTRACE_ATTACH] Jan Kratochvil
2011-02-20 21:19                                                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-20 21:20                                                       ` [PATCH 1/1] ptrace: make sure do_wait() won't hang after PTRACE_ATTACH Jan Kratochvil
2011-02-21 14:23                                                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-23 16:44                                                           ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-02-14 15:31                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-14 17:24                                     ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-02-14 17:39                                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-14 17:57                                         ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-02-14 18:00                                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-14 18:06                                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-14 18:59                                         ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-02-13 21:24                 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-02-14 15:06                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-14 15:19                     ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-14 16:20                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-14 17:05                     ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-02-14 17:18                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-01-28 16:54 ` [PATCHSET] ptrace,signal: group stop / ptrace updates Ingo Molnar
2011-01-28 17:41   ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-01-28 18:04     ` Anca Emanuel
2011-01-28 18:36       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-01-28 17:55   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-01-28 18:29     ` Bash not reacting to Ctrl-C Ingo Molnar
2011-02-05 20:34       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-07 13:08         ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-09  6:17           ` Michael Witten
2011-02-09 14:53             ` Ingo Molnar
2011-02-09 19:37               ` Michael Witten
2011-02-11 14:41           ` Pavel Machek

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