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From: Bharata B Rao <bharata@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Dhaval Giani <dhaval@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Vaidyanathan Srinivasan <svaidy@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Gautham R Shenoy <ego@in.ibm.com>,
	Srivatsa Vaddagiri <vatsa@in.ibm.com>,
	Kamalesh Babulal <kamalesh@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@openvz.org>,
	Herbert Poetzl <herbert@13thfloor.at>,
	Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>, Chris Friesen <cfriesen@nortel.com>,
	Nikhil Rao <ncrao@google.com>
Subject: Re: [CFS Bandwidth Control v4 3/7] sched: throttle cfs_rq entities which exceed their local quota
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 19:28:56 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110225135856.GA2376@in.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimydWA5xyROhdXeW5as3t8aqfR1H2dqc-42C+6=@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 07:10:58PM -0800, Paul Turner wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 5:32 AM, Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl> wrote:
> > On Tue, 2011-02-15 at 19:18 -0800, Paul Turner wrote:
> 
> >> +     update_cfs_load(cfs_rq, 0);
> >> +
> >> +     /* prevent previous buddy nominations from re-picking this se */
> >> +     clear_buddies(cfs_rq_of(se), se);
> >> +
> >> +     /*
> >> +      * It's possible for the current task to block and re-wake before task
> >> +      * switch, leading to a throttle within enqueue_task->update_curr()
> >> +      * versus an an entity that has not technically been enqueued yet.
> >
> > I'm not quite seeing how this would happen.. care to expand on this?
> >
> 
> I'm not sure the example Bharata gave is correct -- I'm going to treat
> that discussion separately as it's not the intent here.

Just for the record, my examples were not given for the above question from
Peter.

I answered two questions and I am tempted to stand by those until proven
wrong :)

1. Why do we have cfs_rq_throtted() check in dequeue_task_fair() ? 
( => How could we be running if our parent was throttled ?)

Consider the following hierarchy.

Root Group
   |
   |
Group 1 (Bandwidth constrained group)
   |
   |
Group 2 (Infinite runtime group)

Assume both the groups have tasks in them.

When Group 1 is throttled, its cfs_rq is marked throttled, and is removed from
Root group's runqueue. But leaf tasks in Group 2 continue to be enqueued in
Group 1's runqueue.

Load balancer kicks in on CPU A and figures out that it can pull a few tasks
from CPU B (busiest_cpu). It iterates through all the task groups
(load_balance_fair) and considers Group 2 also. It tries to pull a task from
CPU B's cfs_rq for Group 2. I don't see anything that would prevent the
load balancer from bailing out here. Note that Group 2 is technically
not throttled, only its parent Group 1 is. Load balancer goes ahead and
starts pulling individual tasks from Group 2's cfs_rq on CPU B. This
results in dequeuing of task whose hierarchy is throttled.

When load balancer iterates through Group 1's cfs_rqs, the situation is
different because we have already marked Group 1's cfs_rqs as throttled.
And we check this in load_balance_fair() and bail out from pulling tasks
from throttled hierarchy.

This is my understanding. Let me know what I miss. Specifically I would
like to understand how do you ensure that load balancer doesn't consider
tasks from throttled cfs_rqs for pulling.

2. Why there is cfs_rq_throttled() check in account_cfs_rq_quota() ?

In addition to the case you described, I believe the situation I described
is also valid.

Regards,
Bharata.

  reply	other threads:[~2011-02-25 13:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-02-16  3:18 [CFS Bandwidth Control v4 0/7] Introduction Paul Turner
2011-02-16  3:18 ` [CFS Bandwidth Control v4 1/7] sched: introduce primitives to account for CFS bandwidth tracking Paul Turner
2011-02-16 16:52   ` Balbir Singh
2011-02-17  2:54     ` Bharata B Rao
2011-02-23 13:32   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-25  3:11     ` Paul Turner
2011-02-25 20:53     ` Paul Turner
2011-02-16  3:18 ` [CFS Bandwidth Control v4 2/7] sched: accumulate per-cfs_rq cpu usage Paul Turner
2011-02-16 17:45   ` Balbir Singh
2011-02-23 13:32   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-25  3:33     ` Paul Turner
2011-02-25 12:31       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-16  3:18 ` [CFS Bandwidth Control v4 3/7] sched: throttle cfs_rq entities which exceed their local quota Paul Turner
2011-02-18  6:52   ` Balbir Singh
2011-02-23 13:32   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-24  5:21     ` Bharata B Rao
2011-02-24 11:05       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-24 15:45         ` Bharata B Rao
2011-02-24 15:52           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-24 16:39             ` Bharata B Rao
2011-02-24 17:20               ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-25  3:59                 ` Paul Turner
2011-02-25  3:41         ` Paul Turner
2011-02-25  3:10     ` Paul Turner
2011-02-25 13:58       ` Bharata B Rao [this message]
2011-02-25 20:51         ` Paul Turner
2011-02-28  3:50           ` Bharata B Rao
2011-02-28  6:38             ` Paul Turner
2011-02-28 13:48       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-01  8:31         ` Paul Turner
2011-03-02  7:23   ` Bharata B Rao
2011-03-02  8:05     ` Paul Turner
2011-02-16  3:18 ` [CFS Bandwidth Control v4 4/7] sched: unthrottle cfs_rq(s) who ran out of quota at period refresh Paul Turner
2011-02-18  7:19   ` Balbir Singh
2011-02-18  8:10     ` Bharata B Rao
2011-02-23 12:23   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-23 13:32   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-24  7:04     ` Bharata B Rao
2011-02-24 11:14       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-26  0:02     ` Paul Turner
2011-02-16  3:18 ` [CFS Bandwidth Control v4 5/7] sched: add exports tracking cfs bandwidth control statistics Paul Turner
2011-02-22  3:14   ` Balbir Singh
2011-02-22  4:13     ` Bharata B Rao
2011-02-22  4:40       ` Balbir Singh
2011-02-23  8:03         ` Paul Turner
2011-02-23 10:13           ` Balbir Singh
2011-02-23 13:32   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-25  3:26     ` Paul Turner
2011-02-25  8:54       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-16  3:18 ` [CFS Bandwidth Control v4 6/7] sched: hierarchical task accounting for SCHED_OTHER Paul Turner
2011-02-22  3:17   ` Balbir Singh
2011-02-23  8:05     ` Paul Turner
2011-02-23  2:02   ` Hidetoshi Seto
2011-02-23  2:20     ` Paul Turner
2011-02-23  2:43     ` Balbir Singh
2011-02-23 13:32   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-25  3:25     ` Paul Turner
2011-02-25 12:17       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-16  3:18 ` [CFS Bandwidth Control v4 7/7] sched: add documentation for bandwidth control Paul Turner
2011-02-21  2:47 ` [CFS Bandwidth Control v4 0/7] Introduction Xiao Guangrong
2011-02-22 10:28   ` Bharata B Rao
2011-02-23  7:42   ` Paul Turner
2011-02-23  7:51     ` Balbir Singh
2011-02-23  7:56       ` Paul Turner
2011-02-23  8:31         ` Bharata B Rao
     [not found] ` <20110224161111.7d83a884@jacob-laptop>
2011-02-25 10:03   ` Paul Turner
2011-02-25 13:06     ` jacob pan
2011-03-08  3:57       ` Balbir Singh
2011-03-08 18:18         ` Jacob Pan
2011-03-09 10:12       ` Paul Turner
2011-03-09 21:57         ` jacob pan

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