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From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: Denys Vlasenko <vda.linux@googlemail.com>
Cc: Scott James Remnant <scott@canonical.com>,
	Roland McGrath <roland@redhat.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Casey Dahlin <cdahlin@redhat.com>,
	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Randy Dunlap <randy.dunlap@oracle.com>,
	Davide Libenzi <davidel@xmailserver.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Subject: Re: [RESEND][RFC PATCH v2] waitfd
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 14:55:03 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110302135503.GB9838@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimw5Z00uVsWYP0KGiQ8jDex9yYGNc61SG=9GsGj@mail.gmail.com>

On 03/02, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
>
> On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > We do not need multiple signals in queue if we want to reap multiple
> > zombies. Once we have a single SIGCHLD (reported by signalfd or
> > whatever) we can do do_wait(WNOHANG) in a loop.
> >
> > Confused.
>
> I know I am terribly late for the party :)
>
> "do_wait(WNOHANG) in a loop" is a performance problem.

Yes.

> Oleg, do you remember that strace bug when it was swamped
> with gazillions of stop notifications from a multithreaded
> task, then by dealing with them one-by-one it was causing
> unfairness and ultimately "this program never finishes
> when run under strace" bug?

Yes. But, iirc, this was not connected to the performance problems
with do_wait(). The problem was, strace did a single do_wait()
instead of wait-them-all.

> And another typical nuisance that running multithreaded
> stuff under strace is much slower, even with -e option
> which limits the set of decoded syscalls?

IIUC, this is also because strace is single-threaded, I mean it
doesn't scale well.

> Having waitfd would help both cases: strace can gulp
> a lot of waitpid notifications in one go, and
> batch process them.

Perhaps.

I do not know how much do_wait() contributes to the slowness
though. And it is not exactly clear how we can implement the
"fast" waitfd.

For example, this patch (iirc!) just calls do_wait() in a loop.
I doubt very much it can really help to improve the performance.



Oh. Can't resist. The real problem is that ptrace API should
not be per-thread, and it should not use wait() at all. But
this is offtopic.

Oleg.


      reply	other threads:[~2011-03-02 14:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-01-06 18:11 [RFC PATCH v2] waitfd Casey Dahlin
2009-01-06 18:27 ` Alan Cox
2009-01-06 18:31 ` Randy Dunlap
2009-01-06 18:45   ` Casey Dahlin
2009-01-06 18:50     ` Randy Dunlap
2009-01-06 18:48 ` Andi Kleen
2009-01-06 19:07 ` [RESEND][RFC " Casey Dahlin
2009-01-07 12:34   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-07 13:05     ` Casey Dahlin
2009-01-07 15:00       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-07 17:19     ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-01-07 17:24       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-07 17:52       ` Davide Libenzi
2009-01-07 20:38         ` Casey Dahlin
2009-01-10 14:47       ` Scott James Remnant
2009-01-10 21:14         ` Casey Dahlin
2009-01-10 21:20           ` Scott James Remnant
2009-01-10 22:08             ` Casey Dahlin
2009-01-10 22:31           ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-01-10 22:37             ` Casey Dahlin
2009-01-10 22:46               ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-01-07 20:53     ` Roland McGrath
2009-01-07 20:58       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-07 21:05         ` Davide Libenzi
2009-01-07 21:50           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-07 21:02       ` Ulrich Drepper
2009-01-08 14:32         ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-01-08 19:35           ` Roland McGrath
2009-01-08 20:36             ` Casey Dahlin
2009-01-08 21:39               ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-01-10 14:52                 ` Scott James Remnant
2009-01-10 16:19                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-01-10 17:09                     ` Scott James Remnant
2009-01-10 18:21                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-01-10 18:46                         ` Scott James Remnant
2009-01-10 14:50               ` Scott James Remnant
2009-01-10 21:20                 ` Casey Dahlin
2009-01-08 22:04       ` Michael Kerrisk
2009-01-10 14:09       ` Scott James Remnant
2009-01-10 14:45       ` Scott James Remnant
2009-01-10 15:57         ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-01-10 17:07           ` Scott James Remnant
2009-01-10 18:13             ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-01-10 20:13               ` Scott James Remnant
2009-01-10 22:24                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-01-10 23:14                   ` Davide Libenzi
2009-01-10 22:25             ` Casey Dahlin
2009-01-10 23:11             ` Davide Libenzi
2011-03-02  1:37           ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-02 13:55             ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]

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