From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: Denys Vlasenko <vda.linux@googlemail.com>
Cc: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
Roland McGrath <roland@redhat.com>,
jan.kratochvil@redhat.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
torvalds@linux-foundation.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Proposal for ptrace improvements
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 15:43:22 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110302144322.GJ3319@htj.dyndns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=tQ0kLB_MiTArpNAWHUT0id_dbXXLu9UpPhRfN@mail.gmail.com>
Hi,
On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 12:48:56PM +0100, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
> > Of course, all ptrace traps are SIGTRAPs.
>
> Except for those SIGSTOPs in children on auto-attach
> via PTRACE_O_TRACE[V]FORK / PTRACE_O_TRACECLONE options...
Aren't they just using SIGSTOP's to trigger signal delivery path? The
signal can be delivered, right? Checking the source code.... Yeah, it
genuinely generates SIGSTOP.
> >> Why not SIGCONT? This event is, after all, caused by SIGCONT.
> >> It would be so much nicer to be able to detect it with single if()
> >> in the debugger...
> >
> > I disagree. It's a ptrace trap. It should use SIGTRAP. We just need
> > well defined siginfo output to distinguish between them. It's not
> > like we can avoid siginfo anyway.
>
> Performance problem here. Strace is already suffering from being
> rather slow, especially for multi-threaded processes.
>
> So far strace was able to avoid querying siginfo on every stop.
>
> In order to make job control stop work properly, it will now need
> to query siginfo, but only if signo==SIGSTOP. SIGSTOPs don't
> occur too often, definitely not twice per syscall as SIGTRAPs do,
> so it's not a problem.
>
> With your proposal to show resume-from-job-control-stop-via-SIGCONT
> as SIGTRAP, *every* SIGTRAP stop needs to be followed
> by PTRACE_GETSIGINFO.
I don't think it's a good idea to make these basic design choices
based on optimization concerns like the above. We're not talking
about read/write(2) here. If PTRACE_GETSIGINFO really becomes that
much of a performance bottleneck, we can put it in vdso, but I really
doubt it would come to that.
> int main()
> {
> signal(SIGSTOP, sig);
> signal(SIGCONT, sig);
> signal(SIGWINCH, sig);
> signal(SIGABRT, sig);
> again:
> printf("PID: %d\n", getpid());
> fflush(NULL);
> errno = 0;
> sleep(30);
> int e = errno;
> printf("after sleep: errno=%d %s\n", e, strerror(e));
> if (e) goto again;
> return 0;
> }
>
> # ./a.out
> PID: 16382
> <------ kill -STOP 16382
> <------ kill -ABRT 16382
> <------ kill -WINCH 16382
> <------ kill -CONT 16382
> sig: 28 Window changed
> sig: 18 Continued
> sig: 6 Aborted
> after sleep: errno=4 Interrupted system call
> PID: 16382
>
>
> Therefore we also need to think about this aspect of SIGCONT behavior
> under debuggers.
>
> Do we provide for the mechanism for debuggers to
> prevent execution of *SIGCONT userspace handler*?
Yeah, it's not different from any other signal. Just squash the
signal when ptrace signal delivery trap is taken, which is completely
separate from termination of job control stop triggered by _emission_
of SIGCONT. The two are separate. The proposed changes don't affect
the delivery path at all. I really can't understand what your point
is.
> And, looking at the example above, I see that on resume from stop,
> *SIGCONT userspace handler* actually doesn't run as *the first handler*
> after SIGCONT. Other pending signal's handlers may be executed before it.
Signal delivery is not FIFO. There are some rules that the code
describes. If you're interested, take a look at the code but in
general it would be better to avoid assuming fixed order between
signal generations and deliveries.
> How would the above example look under ptraced process? Particularly,
> this sequence:
> <------ kill -STOP 16382
> <------ kill -ABRT 16382
> <------ kill -WINCH 16382
> <------ kill -CONT 16382
> sig: 28 Window changed
> sig: 18 Continued
> sig: 6 Aborted
There's NO difference regarding signal delivery. It stays the SAME.
Thanks.
--
tejun
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-03-02 14:43 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-03-01 15:24 [RFC] Proposal for ptrace improvements Tejun Heo
2011-03-01 16:57 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-01 17:09 ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-01 17:12 ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-01 17:21 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-01 18:34 ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-01 23:51 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-02 7:10 ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-02 5:07 ` Indan Zupancic
2011-03-02 7:44 ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-02 11:32 ` Indan Zupancic
2011-03-02 11:52 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-02 14:50 ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-02 13:32 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-03 0:47 ` Indan Zupancic
2011-03-03 1:30 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-03 1:55 ` Indan Zupancic
2011-03-03 7:03 ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-01 19:06 ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-03-01 22:14 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-02 7:28 ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-02 10:58 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-04 16:14 ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-03-04 16:41 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-04 17:07 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-04 18:12 ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-03-05 8:47 ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-01 22:59 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-02 7:32 ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-02 11:02 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-02 11:23 ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-03 19:26 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-01 23:16 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-02 7:37 ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-02 11:21 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-02 11:27 ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-02 11:48 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-02 14:43 ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2011-03-02 15:16 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-02 15:25 ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-03 17:34 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-03 20:22 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-04 8:23 ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-04 18:16 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-05 8:33 ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-04 13:01 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-04 13:41 ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-04 13:59 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-04 14:07 ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-04 14:31 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-04 14:40 ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-04 17:05 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-04 17:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-04 18:59 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-04 19:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-04 16:13 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-04 16:30 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-04 8:44 ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-04 16:01 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-04 16:15 ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-04 16:26 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-07 15:08 ` PTRACE_SEIZE/INTERRUPT: " Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-09 9:41 ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-09 17:30 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-07 20:43 ` Roland McGrath
2011-03-09 10:28 ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-10 18:33 ` Steven Rostedt
2011-03-11 8:13 ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-11 8:22 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-03-11 9:35 ` Srikar Dronamraju
2011-03-11 9:43 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-03-14 1:03 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2011-03-10 15:55 ` Steven Rostedt
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