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From: Mark Brown <broonie@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Nicolas Pitre <nicolas.pitre@linaro.org>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	andy.green@linaro.org,
	Jaswinder Singh <jaswinder.singh@linaro.org>,
	Linux USB list <linux-usb@vger.kernel.org>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	arnd@arndb.de, roger.quadros@nokia.com, greg@kroah.com,
	grant.likely@secretlab.ca
Subject: Re: RFC: Platform data for onboard USB assets
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 10:53:35 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110323105335.GB778@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110323093847.55e9dbba@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 09:38:47AM +0000, Alan Cox wrote:

> > Generally speaking, this wouldn't make sense.  but this is a case where 
> > a generically probed device happens to be used in a very specific 
> > hardware design with its own quirks.  in that very particular case then 
> > it certainly makes some sense.

> If it's a very specific hardware design it can do its own very specific
> internal private kernel patch, or little config app in user space. There
> isn't a valid reason to inflict that complexity on the other 99.999999%
> of users.

Just to be clear this sort of stuff is not, in general, a particularly
obscure problem for embedded systems.  General good practice in hardware
design is to remove components to achieve cost savings and improvements
in manufacturability and things like configuration SEPROMs tend to be
among the first things to go.  Vendors producing reference boards for
these markets will tend go for the cost downs on such devices even if
the volumes are relatively low to ensure that their reference designs
are directly usable in end projects, and reference designs tend to be
disproportionately visible to people working with the kernel.

In the specific case of MACs and device names for network adaptors we
have userspace solutions which are obscuring the discussion but there
are other things which get configured this way which one would usually
expect to be handled in kernel.

  reply	other threads:[~2011-03-23 10:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 156+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-03-11  9:50 RFC: Platform data for onboard USB assets Andy Green
2011-03-11 12:31 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-11 12:44   ` Andy Green
2011-03-11 14:42     ` Roger Quadros
2011-03-11 15:12       ` Roger Quadros
2011-03-11 15:22       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-11 15:50         ` Roger Quadros
2011-03-11 15:55           ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-11 15:29   ` Mark Brown
2011-03-11 15:54     ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-11 16:03       ` Mark Brown
2011-03-11 16:14         ` Greg KH
2011-03-11 16:27           ` Mark Brown
2011-03-11 16:35             ` Greg KH
2011-03-11 16:48               ` Mark Brown
2011-03-11 16:56                 ` Greg KH
2011-03-11 17:08                   ` Mark Brown
2011-03-11 17:23                     ` Greg KH
2011-03-11 17:41                       ` Mark Brown
2011-03-17  2:14                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-17 20:13                         ` Greg KH
2011-03-17 20:18                           ` Mark Brown
2011-03-17 20:26                             ` Greg KH
2011-03-17 21:24                               ` Mark Brown
2011-03-17 21:31                                 ` Greg KH
2011-03-17 21:40                                   ` Mark Brown
2011-03-17 21:47                                     ` Greg KH
2011-03-17 22:33                                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-17 22:53                                         ` Greg KH
2011-03-17 23:18                                           ` Andy Green
2011-03-17 23:25                                             ` Greg KH
2011-03-18  7:42                                               ` Andy Green
2011-03-18 22:54                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-03-18 22:57                                                   ` Andy Green
2011-03-18  4:54                                             ` Grant Likely
2011-03-18  8:19                                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-17 23:22                                         ` Andy Green
2011-03-18 15:00                                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-18 15:15                                             ` Mark Brown
2011-03-18 17:52                                             ` Andy Green
2011-03-18 18:20                                               ` David Anders
2011-03-18 18:25                                                 ` Mark Brown
2011-03-18 20:02                                                   ` Andy Green
2011-03-18 21:11                                                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-18 21:17                                                       ` Andy Green
2011-03-18 20:06                                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-18 21:33                                                 ` Andy Green
2011-03-18 23:25                                                   ` Mark Brown
2011-03-18 23:33                                                     ` Andy Green
2011-03-18 21:36                                                 ` Grant Likely
2011-03-18 22:47                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-03-18 21:28                                               ` Grant Likely
2011-03-18 23:04                                                 ` Andy Green
2011-03-18 22:37                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-03-18 22:39                                             ` Andy Green
2011-03-17 23:27                                         ` Grant Likely
2011-03-18  7:49                                           ` Andy Green
2011-03-18  8:25                                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-18  8:38                                               ` Andy Green
2011-03-17 22:11                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-17 22:20                                 ` Greg KH
2011-03-18  8:42                                 ` Roger Quadros
2011-03-18  9:01                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-18  9:55                                     ` Roger Quadros
2011-03-18 10:09                                       ` Andy Green
2011-03-17 21:03                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-17 21:32                             ` Greg KH
2011-03-11 16:26         ` Andy Green
2011-03-11 16:45           ` Alan Stern
2011-03-11 16:51             ` Andy Green
2011-03-11 17:08               ` Greg KH
2011-03-11 18:09                 ` Andy Green
2011-03-11 19:12                   ` Alan Stern
2011-03-11 20:05                     ` Andy Green
2011-03-11 20:21                       ` Greg KH
2011-03-11 21:07                         ` Andy Green
2011-03-11 21:44                           ` Greg KH
2011-03-11 22:24                             ` Andy Green
2011-03-12 16:00                             ` Alan Stern
2011-03-12 23:02                               ` Andy Green
2011-03-11 19:37                   ` Greg KH
2011-03-11 16:53             ` Mark Brown
2011-03-11 16:08 ` Greg KH
2011-03-11 16:20   ` Andy Green
2011-03-11 16:36     ` Greg KH
2011-03-11 16:41       ` Andy Green
2011-03-11 22:07         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-03-11 21:52 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-03-11 22:45 ` Grant Likely
2011-03-11 22:47   ` Andy Green
2011-03-11 23:39     ` Grant Likely
2011-03-14 14:54   ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-22 15:05 ` Jaswinder Singh
2011-03-22 16:04   ` Andy Green
2011-03-22 18:19     ` Jaswinder Singh
2011-03-22 18:37       ` Andy Green
2011-03-22 18:59         ` Jaswinder Singh
2011-03-22 19:35           ` Andy Green
     [not found] ` <AANLkTim=ezye=1fQP_1a2SWbPnbENP9B+k27Z3AkS=zf@mail.gmail.com>
2011-03-22 15:12   ` Mark Brown
2011-03-22 15:23     ` Jaswinder Singh
2011-03-24 18:56     ` Grant Likely
2011-03-22 21:08   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-03-22 22:37     ` Andy Green
2011-03-23  1:03       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-03-23  2:26         ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-23  3:23           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-03-23  4:21             ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-23  4:56               ` Greg KH
2011-03-23  5:44               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-03-23  9:38               ` Alan Cox
2011-03-23 10:53                 ` Mark Brown [this message]
2011-03-23 15:04                   ` Greg KH
2011-03-23 15:10                     ` Mark Brown
2011-03-23 15:24                     ` Andy Green
2011-03-23 15:45                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-23 15:38                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-23  9:31             ` Andy Green
2011-03-23  9:47               ` Alan Cox
2011-03-23 10:06                 ` Andy Green
2011-03-23 10:32                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-23 10:39                     ` Andy Green
2011-03-23 10:56                       ` Alan Cox
2011-03-23 11:13                         ` Andy Green
2011-03-23 11:34                           ` Alan Cox
2011-03-23 12:02                             ` Andy Green
2011-03-23 15:08                     ` Greg KH
2011-03-23 16:12                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-23 16:22                         ` Greg KH
2011-03-23 16:34                           ` Andy Green
2011-03-23 16:56                           ` [RFC] usbnet: use eth%d name for known ethernet devices Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-23 17:04                             ` Andy Green
2011-03-23 17:11                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-24 10:45                                 ` Andy Green
2011-03-23 17:13                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-23 17:54                               ` David Anders
2011-03-23 18:46                             ` Greg KH
2011-03-23 19:35                               ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]                                 ` <AANLkTim7hPfTv3gDYnh+jGxHBg0OvX=r1FKYoHnH7H_o@mail.gmail.com>
2011-03-23 19:57                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-23 19:59                                     ` Randy Dunlap
2011-03-23 23:17                                       ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-03-23 23:19                                         ` Randy Dunlap
2011-03-23 23:38                                         ` Steve Calfee
2011-03-24  0:01                                           ` Ben Hutchings
2011-03-24 13:13                                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-24 13:15                                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-24 13:44                                                 ` Andy Green
2011-03-24 13:56                                                 ` Alan Stern
2011-03-24 17:20                                                 ` Alexey Orishko
2011-03-25 11:57                                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-25 16:26                                                     ` Alexey Orishko
2011-03-25 16:43                                                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-24 19:17                   ` RFC: Platform data for onboard USB assets Grant Likely
2011-03-24 20:10                     ` Andy Green
2011-03-23 14:55                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-23 10:22               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-03-23 15:11                 ` Nicolas Pitre

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