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From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Jiri Olsa <jolsa@redhat.com>, Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH,RFC] perf: panic due to inclied cpu context task_ctx value
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:53:54 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110330195354.GA15046@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110330183049.GK2255@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

On 03/30, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
>
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 06:37:30PM +0200, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> >
> > So. synchronize_sched() above should ensure that all CPUs do context
> > switch at least once (ignoring idle). And I _thought_ that in practice
> > this should work.
> >
> > But, unles I misread the comment above synchronize_sched(), it seems that
> > it only guarantees the end of "everything" which disables preemption,
> > explicitly or not. IOW, say, in theory rcu_read_unlock_sched() could
> > trigger ->passed_quiesc == T without reschedule.
>
> For rcu_read_lock() in preemptible RCU, this is true.

Hmm, not sure I understand... Do you mean that with the current
implementation rcu_read_unlock() can imply rcu_sched_qs() without
rescheduling ?

> But for
> rcu_read_unlock_sched(), the only way rcu_note_context_switch() is called
> is if the code is preempted, which ends up calling schedule().

Indeed, that is why I thought synchronize_sched() can help in this
case. I meant, according to the documentation it could in theory.

But,

> > Oh, and this is not theoretical, afaics. run_ksoftirqd() does
> > rcu_note_context_switch().
>
> Interesting...  Color me confused.
>
> Suppose the rcu_note_context_switch() in run_ksoftirqd() was replaced
> with schedule().  This has to be OK, right?  But schedule() itself
> invokes rcu_note_context_switch().  So if it is OK to call schedule(),
> it should be OK to call rcu_note_context_switch() directly, right?
>
> So, what am I missing here?

It is me, not you.

Damn. It is even worse than I thought. Somehow I missed the simple
fact, schedule() does not necessarily mean context_switch(). So the
idea to use synchronize_sched() was simply wrong. Sorry to all for
wasting your time ;)



> > So, I think we need something else :/
>
> The thing that I would be more concerned about is the idle loop.
> If a CPU is in the idle loop, then rcu_sched_qs() will be invoked
> (and which is invoked by rcu_note_context_switch()).  So is it
> illegal to use the above in the idle loop?

Not sure I understand what you mean, but the idle loop is fine.
An idle thread can't have the counters attached, we don't care
about them.


Thanks Paul,

Oleg.


  reply	other threads:[~2011-03-30 19:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-03-24 16:44 [PATCH,RFC] perf: panic due to inclied cpu context task_ctx value Jiri Olsa
2011-03-25 19:10 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-26 15:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-26 16:13   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-26 16:38     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-26 17:09       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-26 17:35         ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-26 18:29           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-26 18:49             ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-28 13:30             ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-28 14:57               ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-28 15:00                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-28 15:15                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-28 16:27                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-28 15:39                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-28 15:49                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-28 16:56                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-29  8:32                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-29 10:49                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-29 16:28                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-29 19:01                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-30 13:09                     ` Jiri Olsa
2011-03-30 14:51                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-30 16:37                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-30 18:30                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-03-30 19:53                             ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2011-03-30 21:26                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-30 21:35                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-31 10:32                             ` Jiri Olsa
2011-03-31 12:41                             ` [tip:perf/urgent] perf: Fix task context scheduling tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-31 13:28                         ` [PATCH,RFC] perf: panic due to inclied cpu context task_ctx value Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-31 13:51                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-31 14:10                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-04-04 16:20                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-30 15:32                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-30 15:40                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-30 15:52                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-30 15:57                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-30 16:11                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-30 17:13                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-26 17:09       ` Peter Zijlstra

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