From: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
Richard Kennedy <richard@rsk.demon.co.uk>,
Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/4] writeback: reduce per-bdi dirty threshold ramp up time
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 08:23:02 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110414002301.GA9826@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110413235211.GN31057@dastard>
On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 07:52:11AM +0800, Dave Chinner wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 07:31:22AM +0800, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 06:04:44AM +0800, Jan Kara wrote:
> > > On Wed 13-04-11 16:59:41, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> > > > Reduce the dampening for the control system, yielding faster
> > > > convergence. The change is a bit conservative, as smaller values may
> > > > lead to noticeable bdi threshold fluctuates in low memory JBOD setup.
> > > >
> > > > CC: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
> > > > CC: Richard Kennedy <richard@rsk.demon.co.uk>
> > > > Signed-off-by: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
> > > Well, I have nothing against this change as such but what I don't like is
> > > that it just changes magical +2 for similarly magical +0. It's clear that
> >
> > The patch tends to make the rampup time a bit more reasonable for
> > common desktops. From 100s to 25s (see below).
> >
> > > this will lead to more rapid updates of proportions of bdi's share of
> > > writeback and thread's share of dirtying but why +0? Why not +1 or -1? So
> >
> > Yes, it will especially be a problem on _small memory_ JBOD setups.
> > Richard actually has requested for a much radical change (decrease by
> > 6) but that looks too much.
> >
> > My team has a 12-disk JBOD with only 6G memory. The memory is pretty
> > small as a server, but it's a real setup and serves well as the
> > reference minimal setup that Linux should be able to run well on.
>
> FWIW, linux runs on a lot of low power NAS boxes with jbod and/or
> raid setups that have <= 1GB of RAM (many of them run XFS), so even
> your setup could be considered large by a significant fraction of
> the storage world. Hence you need to be careful of optimising for
> what you think is a "normal" server, because there simply isn't such
> a thing....
Good point! This patch is likely to hurt a loaded 1GB 4-disk NAS box...
I'll test the setup.
I did test low memory setups -- but only on simple 1-disk cases.
For example, when dirty thresh is lowered to 7MB, the dirty pages are
fluctuating like mad within the controlled scope:
http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/wfg/writeback/dirty-throttling-v6/512M-2%25/xfs-4dd-1M-8p-435M-2%25-2.6.38-rc5-dt6+-2011-02-22-14-34/balance_dirty_pages-pages.png
But still, it achieves 100% disk utilization
http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/wfg/writeback/dirty-throttling-v6/512M-2%25/xfs-4dd-1M-8p-435M-2%25-2.6.38-rc5-dt6+-2011-02-22-14-34/iostat-util.png
and good IO throughput:
http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/wfg/writeback/dirty-throttling-v6/512M-2%25/xfs-4dd-1M-8p-435M-2%25-2.6.38-rc5-dt6+-2011-02-22-14-34/balance_dirty_pages-bandwidth.png
And even better, less than 120ms writeback latencies:
http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/wfg/writeback/dirty-throttling-v6/512M-2%25/xfs-4dd-1M-8p-435M-2%25-2.6.38-rc5-dt6+-2011-02-22-14-34/balance_dirty_pages-pause.png
Thanks,
Fengguang
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-04-14 0:23 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <20110413085937.981293444@intel.com>
2011-04-13 8:59 ` [PATCH 1/4] writeback: add bdi_dirty_limit() kernel-doc Wu Fengguang
2011-04-13 21:47 ` Jan Kara
2011-04-13 8:59 ` [PATCH 2/4] writeback: avoid duplicate balance_dirty_pages_ratelimited() calls Wu Fengguang
2011-04-13 21:53 ` Jan Kara
2011-04-14 0:30 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-14 10:20 ` Jan Kara
2011-04-13 8:59 ` [PATCH 3/4] writeback: skip balance_dirty_pages() for in-memory fs Wu Fengguang
2011-04-13 21:54 ` Jan Kara
2011-04-13 8:59 ` [PATCH 4/4] writeback: reduce per-bdi dirty threshold ramp up time Wu Fengguang
2011-04-13 22:04 ` Jan Kara
2011-04-13 23:31 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-13 23:52 ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-14 0:23 ` Wu Fengguang [this message]
2011-04-14 10:36 ` Richard Kennedy
2011-04-14 13:49 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-14 14:08 ` Wu Fengguang
[not found] ` <20110414151424.GA367@localhost>
2011-04-14 15:56 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-14 18:16 ` Jan Kara
2011-04-15 3:43 ` Wu Fengguang
[not found] ` <20110415143711.GA17181@localhost>
2011-04-15 22:13 ` Jan Kara
2011-04-16 6:05 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-16 8:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-16 14:21 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-17 2:11 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-18 14:59 ` Jan Kara
2011-05-24 12:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-05-24 12:41 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-09 23:58 ` Jan Kara
2011-04-13 10:15 ` [PATCH 0/4] trivial writeback fixes Peter Zijlstra
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