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From: Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@ghostprotocols.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 0/5] KVM in-guest performance monitoring
Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 16:24:49 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110512142449.GI8707@8bytes.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4DCBE13A.2050204@redhat.com>

On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 04:31:38PM +0300, Avi Kivity wrote:
> - when the cpu gains support for virtualizing the architectural feature,  
> we transparently speed the guest up, including support for live  
> migrating from a deployment that emulates the feature to a deployment  
> that properly virtualizes the feature, and back.  Usually the  
> virtualized support will beat the pants off any paravirtualization we can 
> do
> - following an existing spec is a lot easier to get right than doing  
> something from scratch
> - no need to meticulously document the feature

Need to be done, but not problematic I think.

> - easier testing

Testing shouldn't be different on both variants I think.

> - existing guest support - only need to write the host side (sometimes  
> the only one available to us)

Otherwise I agree.

> Paravirtualizing does have its advantages.  For the PMU, for example, we  
> can have a single hypercall read and reprogram all counters, saving  
> *many* exits.  But I think we need to start from the architectural PMU  
> and see exactly what the problems are, before we optimize it to death.

The problem certainly is that with arch-pmu we add a lot of msr-exits to
the guest-context-switch path if it uses per-task profiling. Depending
on the workload this can very much distort the results.

	Joerg


  reply	other threads:[~2011-05-12 14:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-05-11 15:55 [PATCH v1 0/5] KVM in-guest performance monitoring Avi Kivity
2011-05-11 15:55 ` [PATCH v1 1/5] perf: add context parameter to perf_event overflow handler Avi Kivity
2011-06-03 14:41   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-05  8:07     ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-11 15:55 ` [PATCH v1 2/5] x86, perf: add constraints for architectural PMU v1 Avi Kivity
2011-05-11 15:55 ` [PATCH v1 3/5] perf: export perf_event_refresh() to modules Avi Kivity
2011-05-11 15:55 ` [PATCH v1 4/5] KVM: Expose kvm_lapic_local_deliver() Avi Kivity
2011-05-11 15:55 ` [PATCH v1 5/5] KVM: Expose a version 1 architectural PMU to guests Avi Kivity
2011-05-17 19:41   ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-18  9:03     ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-18 11:07       ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-18 11:29         ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-05-18 11:57           ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-18 11:32         ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-05-18 11:37           ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-18 12:35             ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-05-18 12:49               ` Avi Kivity
2011-06-03 14:41   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-05  8:12     ` Avi Kivity
2011-06-03 14:41   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-05  8:12     ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-12  9:33 ` [PATCH v1 0/5] KVM in-guest performance monitoring Joerg Roedel
2011-05-12  9:47   ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-12  9:53     ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-12 13:11     ` Joerg Roedel
2011-05-12 13:23       ` Jan Kiszka
2011-05-12 13:43         ` Joerg Roedel
2011-05-12 13:31       ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-12 14:24         ` Joerg Roedel [this message]
2011-05-12 14:37           ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-12 14:45             ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-13 12:34             ` Joerg Roedel
2011-05-12  9:51   ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-12 13:06     ` Joerg Roedel
2011-05-12 13:38       ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-12 14:29         ` Joerg Roedel
2011-05-17  9:52 ` Avi Kivity
2011-06-01  9:45   ` Avi Kivity
2011-06-01 10:26     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-01 11:26       ` Avi Kivity

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