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From: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
To: Alex Bligh <alex@alex.org.uk>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andreas Dilger <adilger.kernel@dilger.ca>,
	"Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
Subject: Re: BUG: Failure to send REQ_FLUSH on unmount on ext3, ext4, and FS in general
Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 17:55:50 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110523155550.GE4716@quack.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <959E4E25EAEC544D31199E6F@nimrod.local>

On Sun 22-05-11 20:11:08, Alex Bligh wrote:
> I have been doing some testing to see what file systems successfully send
> REQ_FLUSH after all writes to the file system in the case of an unmount.
> 
> Results so far:
> 1. ext2, ext3 (with default options), never send REQ_FLUSH
> 2. ext3 (with barrier=1) and ext4 do send REQ_FLUSH but then
>    send further writes afterwards.
> 3. btrfs and xfs do things right (i.e. either end with a REQ_FLUSH in
>    xfs's case, or a REQ_FLUSH and a REQ_FUA in btrfs's case)
> 
> So the first bug is that ext3 and ext4 appear to send writes (without a
> subsequent flush/fia) before an unmount, and thus will never fully
> flush a write-behind cache. They look like this:
  Yeah, I think ext3/4 write journal superblock and fs superblock without
issuing a barrier after everything is synced.

> But quite aside from the question of whether the FS supports barriers,
> should the kernel itself (rather than the FS) not be sending REQ_FLUSH on
> an unmount as the last thing that happens? IE shouldn't we see a flush
> even on (say) ext2 which is never going to support barriers. If the kernel
> itself generated a REQ_FLUSH for the block device, this would keep
> filesystems that don't support barriers safe provided the unmount
> completed successfully and would have no impact on ones that had already
> flushed the write-behind cache.
  Yes, I think that generic VFS helpers should send barriers in cases where
it makes sense and umount is one of them. There even have been some
attempts to do so if I recall right but they didn't go anywhere.

								Honza
-- 
Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
SUSE Labs, CR

  reply	other threads:[~2011-05-23 15:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-05-22 19:11 BUG: Failure to send REQ_FLUSH on unmount on ext3, ext4, and FS in general Alex Bligh
2011-05-23 15:55 ` Jan Kara [this message]
2011-05-23 17:09   ` Alex Bligh
2011-05-23 17:29     ` Jan Kara
2011-05-23 17:33       ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-05-23 18:56         ` Alex Bligh
2011-05-23 17:39       ` Alex Bligh
2011-05-23 17:52         ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-05-23 18:50           ` Alex Bligh

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