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From: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Milton Miller <miltonm@bga.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [1/4] rcu: Detect uses of rcu read side in extended quiescent states
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 20:49:01 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110607184857.GC23214@somewhere> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110607183414.GF2286@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 11:34:14AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 02:58:13PM +0200, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> > On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 09:40:05PM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:> 
> > > The bit I am missing is how to distinguish between spinlocks (where
> > > sleeping is illegal) and mutexes (where sleeping is perfectly fine).
> > > We could teach lockdep the difference, I suppose, but it is not clear
> > > to me that it is worth it.
> > 
> > Ah, in fact it doesn't pass through any lockdep check.
> > 
> > It's only a function called might_sleep() that is placed in functions
> > that can sleep. And inside might_sleep() it checks whether it is in a preemptible
> > area. So it's actually locking-agnostic, it only relies on the preempt_count
> > and some more for the preempt rcu cases.
> > 
> > I think it is called CONFIG_DEBUG_SPINLOCK_SLEEP because it was first used
> > for spinlock debugging purposes. But then it has a broader use now: sleep
> > inside preemptible section, sleep inside interrupts, sleep inside rcu.
> 
> But the __might_sleep() function can only differentiate between
> spinlocks and sleeplocks if CONFIG_PREEMPT=y.

It doesn't differentiate between locks but checks on the lowest level
by looking at the preempt count. But yeah it only works if CONFIG_PREEMPT,
which is why I proposed to inc/dec the preempt count also when we have
that DEBUG_SPINLOCK_SLEEP.

> 
> > It certainly deserves a rename, like CONFIG_DEBUG_ILLEGAL_SLEEP.
> 
> Hmmm...  It already checks for sleeping in the middle of a
> preempt_disable() as well as in a spinlock critical section.
> So the need for a rename is independent of any RCU checking.

Sure, rcu just adds itself to the pile of users of might_sleep(), thus
it would be a nice cleanup to rename the option to something more
generic. But that rename is not necessary to improve RCU checking.

> 
> > > In contrast, with RCU, this is straightforward -- check for rcu_sched
> > > and rcu_bh, but not SRCU.
> 
> Actually it makes sense to keep the checks in rcu_note_context_switch(),
> as there are places that call schedule() directly without a might_sleep().
> Perhaps having checks in both places is the correct approach?

In this case it makes more sense to add your checks in schedule_debug(),
so that we don't wait for a context switch to detect the bug.

  reply	other threads:[~2011-06-07 18:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-06-06  3:10 [PATCH 0/4] rcu: Detect rcu uses under extended quiescent state, and fix some Frederic Weisbecker
2011-06-06  3:10 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-06-06  3:10 ` [PATCH 1/4] rcu: Detect uses of rcu read side in extended quiescent states Frederic Weisbecker
2011-06-06  3:44   ` [1/4] " Milton Miller
2011-06-06 18:10     ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-06-06 18:20       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-06-06 18:37         ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-06-07  0:19       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-06-07  0:42         ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-06-07  1:36           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-06-07  4:40             ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-06-07 12:58               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-06-07 18:34                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-06-07 18:49                   ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2011-06-07 19:22                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-06-10  8:58             ` Michel Lespinasse
2011-06-06  3:10 ` [PATCH 2/4] nohz: Split extended quiescent state handling from nohz switch Frederic Weisbecker
2011-06-06  3:20   ` [PATCH 2/4 v2] " Frederic Weisbecker
2011-06-06  3:20     ` [PATCH 2/4] " Frederic Weisbecker
2011-06-08  1:15       ` Guan Xuetao
2011-06-06 15:16     ` [PATCH 2/4 v2] " Hans-Christian Egtvedt
2011-06-06 15:24     ` Ralf Baechle
2011-06-06 18:43     ` Mike Frysinger
2011-06-06 20:30     ` Chris Metcalf
2011-06-06  3:58   ` [PATCH 2/4] " David Miller
2011-06-09 23:08   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-06-06  3:10 ` [PATCH 3/4] x86: Don't call idle notifier inside rcu extended QS Frederic Weisbecker
2011-06-06  3:10 ` [PATCH 4/4] x86: Call idle_exit() after irq_enter() Frederic Weisbecker
2011-06-06 18:12 ` [PATCH 0/4] rcu: Detect rcu uses under extended quiescent state, and fix some Paul E. McKenney

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