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From: Stefan Richter <stefanr@s5r6.in-berlin.de>
To: dgilbert@interlog.com
Cc: Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
	Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	Nao Nishijima <nao.nishijima.xt@hitachi.com>,
	linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	jcm@redhat.com, hare@suse.de, yrl.pp-manager.tt@hitachi.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] [RFC] genhd: add a new attribute in device structure
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 23:25:26 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110616232526.68820a6f@stein> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4DFA44D4.2010602@interlog.com>

On Jun 16 Douglas Gilbert wrote:
> One obvious candidate for a preferred block device name
> is:
>    - a SATA disk's WWN (NAA 5 64 bit), or
>    - a SCSI disk's logical unit name (e.g. SAS: NAA 5)
> 
> These names (actually numbers) are meant to be world wide
> unique.
> 
> The kernel's device naming (following from how devices are
> discovered) is topological.

I disagree.

1. The kernel name is not about topology.  It is from a flat
   namespace where nothing else than oder of registration counts.
   In some very simple systems there is a deceptively strong correlation
   between topology and order of registration.  But in the general case
   there is no correlation.

2. The persistent worldwide unique name of a device may actually not be
   what a particular admin considers a "preferred" name.  They may prefer
   a topological name ("disk in bay 7") or they may prefer a mnemonic name
   from a label on the hardware, invented and tacked on by the vendor
   (especially vendor--model name tuples like "Canon MV5i camcorder") or by
   the admin themselves, or stored in device memory rather than written
   out on a sticker.

Besides, the preference may change from situation to situation.  In some
situations, _two_ names are actually required at the same time (besides the
unloved kernel name).  So, a "preferred name" as a single datum per device
does not cut it, as also already noted by Kay at the example of the netif
alias.

The retrieval and mapping of the list of "more or less preferred names"
that people realistically use is probably better implemented in userland.
Any kernel solution is bound to impose arbitrary limitations.
-- 
Stefan Richter
-=====-==-== -==- =----
http://arcgraph.de/sr/

  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-06-16 21:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-06-15  8:16 [PATCH 0/3] [RFC] Persistent device name using preferred name Nao Nishijima
2011-06-15  8:16 ` [PATCH 1/3] [RFC] genhd: add a new attribute in device structure Nao Nishijima
2011-06-15 14:43   ` James Bottomley
2011-06-15 15:33   ` Greg KH
2011-06-16 12:03     ` Nao Nishijima
2011-06-16 15:41       ` Greg KH
2011-06-16 15:50         ` James Bottomley
2011-06-16 16:14           ` Greg KH
2011-06-16 16:25             ` James Bottomley
2011-06-16 17:09               ` Kay Sievers
2011-06-16 17:20                 ` Kay Sievers
2011-06-16 18:00                   ` Douglas Gilbert
2011-06-16 18:05                     ` Kay Sievers
2011-06-16 18:15                       ` Douglas Gilbert
2011-06-16 18:31                         ` Kay Sievers
2011-06-16 21:25                     ` Stefan Richter [this message]
2011-06-17  6:27                   ` Hannes Reinecke
2011-06-17 12:28                     ` Nao Nishijima
2011-06-17 11:36                   ` Nao Nishijima
2011-06-16 18:19               ` Greg KH
2011-06-16 20:31                 ` James Bottomley
2011-06-16 22:05                   ` Kay Sievers
2011-06-16 22:45                     ` James Bottomley
2011-06-16 23:04                       ` Kay Sievers
2011-06-17 11:53                         ` Masami Hiramatsu
2011-06-17 14:30                           ` Kay Sievers
2011-06-17 14:27                         ` James Bottomley
2011-06-17 14:40                           ` Kay Sievers
2011-06-17 14:49                             ` James Bottomley
2011-06-17 15:39                               ` Kay Sievers
2011-06-17 16:12                                 ` Kay Sievers
2011-06-17 16:22                                   ` Greg KH
2011-06-18 19:40                                     ` James Bottomley
2011-06-18 19:55                                       ` Kay Sievers
2011-06-21  4:51                                         ` Nao Nishijima
2011-06-19  1:54                           ` Kyle Moffett
2011-06-19  4:14                             ` James Bottomley
2011-06-17  6:55                       ` Stefan Richter
2011-06-17  5:25                   ` Greg KH
2011-06-17 15:41                     ` Douglas Gilbert
2011-06-17 15:57                       ` Kay Sievers
2011-06-17  3:33             ` Masami Hiramatsu
2011-06-17  5:22               ` Greg KH
2011-06-17  8:15                 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2011-06-16 17:32           ` Douglas Gilbert
2011-06-16 18:02             ` Al Viro
2011-06-16 22:48             ` James Bottomley
2011-06-15  8:16 ` [PATCH 2/3] [RFC] sd: print preferred name in kernel messages Nao Nishijima
2011-06-15  8:16 ` [PATCH 3/3] [RFC] fs: print preferred name in procfs messages Nao Nishijima
2011-06-15 15:37 ` [PATCH 0/3] [RFC] Persistent device name using preferred name Greg KH
2011-06-17  5:58   ` Nao Nishijima

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