From: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: David Sharp <dhsharp@google.com>,
Vaibhav Nagarnaik <vnagarnaik@google.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Michael Rubin <mrubin@google.com>,
x86@kernel.org,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Jiaying Zhang <jiayingz@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] trace: Add x86 irq vector entry/exit tracepoints
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 02:51:26 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110707005124.GC21115@somewhere> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4E14FE1A.9000003@zytor.com>
On Wed, Jul 06, 2011 at 05:30:18PM -0700, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> > Trace events are irresponsible anyway because they involve that "ABI not really stable but tools
> > rely on it so...well...)". I'm not sure the above points make the situation worse though. Probably
> > the cases that fit in 2) need to be carefully checked to ensure they really fit in 2).
>
> Yes, it was much more of a generic concern. However, it is very
> important that people have a correct idea about what the stability of
> something like tracepoint is -- or we'll end up in a situation where we
> can never change the kernel because anything is suddenly "user space
> visible."
Agreed. Well the current situation is a best effort to keep trace events stable, but when
subsystems evolve, some trace events don't make any sense anymore, or some parameters need
to be changed or removed.
This break tools but OTOH those tools were measuring something that don't make sense anymore
with newer kernels. I guess we don't have the choice there.
But the situation is more scary when some tracepoints seem to have been badly designed and need
refactoring. I believe it was the case of power events. And now we are forced to maintain old
tracepoints that halfway make sense, just to avoid breaking old tools.
So yeah, we definetly need to care about new tracepoints coming. Especially as they touch generic
parts but archs are also to be considered.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-07-07 0:51 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-04-22 22:56 [PATCH] trace: Add special x86 irq entry/exit tracepoints Vaibhav Nagarnaik
2011-04-25 23:41 ` Vaibhav Nagarnaik
2011-04-28 23:16 ` Vaibhav Nagarnaik
2011-04-28 23:41 ` Steven Rostedt
2011-04-29 20:12 ` [PATCH] trace: Add x86 irq vector " Vaibhav Nagarnaik
2011-04-29 20:26 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-04-29 22:04 ` Vaibhav Nagarnaik
2011-05-31 21:28 ` [PATCH v2] " Vaibhav Nagarnaik
2011-06-01 0:00 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-06-01 22:38 ` Vaibhav Nagarnaik
2011-06-01 23:30 ` David Sharp
2011-06-16 3:02 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-06-21 18:43 ` Vaibhav Nagarnaik
2011-07-06 23:43 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-07-06 23:56 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-07-07 0:02 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-07-07 0:25 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-07-07 0:30 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-07-07 0:51 ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2011-07-07 9:57 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-07-07 22:50 ` David Sharp
2011-07-07 23:00 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-06-21 18:45 ` [PATCH v3] " Vaibhav Nagarnaik
2011-07-06 21:50 ` Vaibhav Nagarnaik
2011-07-06 23:38 ` Andi Kleen
2011-07-07 23:34 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-07-08 0:54 ` David Sharp
2011-07-11 15:54 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-07-11 18:21 ` Vaibhav Nagarnaik
2011-07-12 18:09 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-07-12 22:08 ` Vaibhav Nagarnaik
2011-07-13 14:11 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-07-13 18:18 ` Vaibhav Nagarnaik
2011-04-29 0:14 ` [PATCH] trace: Add special x86 irq " Thomas Gleixner
2011-04-29 20:15 ` Vaibhav Nagarnaik
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