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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>, Ed Tomlinson <edt@aei.ca>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, laijs@cn.fujitsu.com,
	dipankar@in.ibm.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca, josh@joshtriplett.org,
	niv@us.ibm.com, tglx@linutronix.de, rostedt@goodmis.org,
	Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, dhowells@redhat.com,
	eric.dumazet@gmail.com, darren@dvhart.com, patches@linaro.org,
	edward.tomlinson@aero.bombardier.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH rcu/urgent 0/6] Fixes for RCU/scheduler/irq-threads trainwreck
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 21:57:42 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110720195742.GA14671@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110720193925.GB7910@elte.hu>


* Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu> wrote:

> 
> * Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
> 
> > If my guess is correct, then the minimal non-RCU_BOOST fix is #4 
> > (which drags along #3) and #6.  Which are not one-liners, but 
> > somewhat smaller:
> > 
> >  b/kernel/rcutree_plugin.h |   12 ++++++------
> >  b/kernel/softirq.c        |   12 ++++++++++--
> >  kernel/rcutree_plugin.h   |   31 +++++++++++++++++++++++++------
> >  3 files changed, 41 insertions(+), 14 deletions(-)
> 
> That's half the patch size and half the patch count.
> 
> PeterZ's question is relevant: since we apparently had similar bugs 
> in v2.6.39 as well, what changed in v3.0 that makes them so urgent 
> to fix?
> 
> If it's just better instrumentation that proves them better then 
> i'd suggest fixing this in v3.1 and not risking v3.0 with an 
> unintended side effect.

Ok, i looked some more at the background and the symptoms that people 
are seeing: kernel crashes and lockups. I think we want these 
problems fixed in v3.0, even if it was the recent introduction of 
RCU_BOOST that made it really prominent.

Having put some testing into your rcu/urgent branch today i'd feel 
more comfortable with taking this plus perhaps an RCU_BOOST disabling 
patch. That makes it all fundamentally tested by a number of people 
(including those who reported/reproduced the problems).

Linus, would that approach be fine with you? I'll send an RFC pull 
request for the 6 patches as a reply to this mail, in a couple of 
minutes.

Thanks,

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2011-07-20 19:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-07-20  0:17 [PATCH rcu/urgent 0/6] Fixes for RCU/scheduler/irq-threads trainwreck Paul E. McKenney
2011-07-20  0:18 ` [PATCH tip/core/urgent 1/7] rcu: decrease rcu_report_exp_rnp coupling with scheduler Paul E. McKenney
2011-07-20  2:40   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-20  4:54     ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-07-20 11:23       ` Ed Tomlinson
2011-07-20 11:31         ` Ed Tomlinson
2011-07-20 12:35         ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-20 13:23         ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-07-20  0:18 ` [PATCH tip/core/urgent 2/7] rcu: Fix RCU_BOOST race handling current->rcu_read_unlock_special Paul E. McKenney
2011-07-20  0:18 ` [PATCH tip/core/urgent 3/7] rcu: Streamline code produced by __rcu_read_unlock() Paul E. McKenney
2011-07-20  0:18 ` [PATCH tip/core/urgent 4/7] rcu: protect __rcu_read_unlock() against scheduler-using irq handlers Paul E. McKenney
2011-07-20 12:54   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-20 13:25     ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-07-20  0:18 ` [PATCH tip/core/urgent 5/7] sched: Add irq_{enter,exit}() to scheduler_ipi() Paul E. McKenney
2011-07-20  0:18 ` [PATCH tip/core/urgent 6/7] softirq,rcu: Inform RCU of irq_exit() activity Paul E. McKenney
2011-07-20  0:18 ` [PATCH tip/core/urgent 7/7] signal: align __lock_task_sighand() irq disabling and RCU Paul E. McKenney
2011-07-20  1:10 ` [PATCH rcu/urgent 0/6] Fixes for RCU/scheduler/irq-threads trainwreck Ben Greear
2011-07-20  1:30 ` Ed Tomlinson
2011-07-20  2:07   ` Ed Tomlinson
2011-07-20  4:44     ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-07-20  5:03       ` Linus Torvalds
2011-07-20 13:34         ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-07-20 17:02           ` Ben Greear
2011-07-20 17:15             ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-07-20 18:44               ` Ingo Molnar
2011-07-20 18:52                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-20 19:01                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-07-20 19:25                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-20 20:06                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-07-20 19:02                   ` Linus Torvalds
2011-07-20 19:29                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-07-20 19:39                       ` Ingo Molnar
2011-07-20 19:57                         ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2011-07-20 20:33                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-07-20 20:54                             ` Ben Greear
2011-07-20 21:12                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-07-21  3:25                                 ` Ben Greear
2011-07-21 16:04                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-07-20 21:04                           ` [GIT PULL] RCU fixes for v3.0 Ingo Molnar
2011-07-20 21:55                             ` Ed Tomlinson
2011-07-20 22:06                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-07-20 20:08                         ` [PATCH rcu/urgent 0/6] Fixes for RCU/scheduler/irq-threads trainwreck Paul E. McKenney
2011-07-20 21:05                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-07-20 21:39                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-07-20 10:49       ` Ed Tomlinson
2011-07-20 18:25 ` [PATCH rcu/urgent 0/7 v2] " Paul E. McKenney
2011-07-20 18:26   ` [PATCH tip/core/urgent 1/7] rcu: decrease rcu_report_exp_rnp coupling with scheduler Paul E. McKenney
2011-07-20 18:26   ` [PATCH tip/core/urgent 2/7] rcu: Fix RCU_BOOST race handling current->rcu_read_unlock_special Paul E. McKenney
2011-07-20 18:26   ` [PATCH tip/core/urgent 3/7] rcu: Streamline code produced by __rcu_read_unlock() Paul E. McKenney
2011-07-20 22:44     ` Linus Torvalds
2011-07-21  5:09       ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-07-20 18:26   ` [PATCH tip/core/urgent 4/7] rcu: protect __rcu_read_unlock() against scheduler-using irq handlers Paul E. McKenney
2011-07-20 18:26   ` [PATCH tip/core/urgent 5/7] sched: Add irq_{enter,exit}() to scheduler_ipi() Paul E. McKenney
2011-07-20 18:26   ` [PATCH tip/core/urgent 6/7] softirq,rcu: Inform RCU of irq_exit() activity Paul E. McKenney
2011-07-20 18:26   ` [PATCH tip/core/urgent 7/7] signal: align __lock_task_sighand() irq disabling and RCU Paul E. McKenney

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