From: Borislav Petkov <bp@amd64.org>
To: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
Andrew Lutomirski <luto@mit.edu>, Borislav Petkov <bp@amd64.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
"user-mode-linux-devel@lists.sourceforge.net"
<user-mode-linux-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"mingo@redhat.com" <mingo@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [uml-devel] SYSCALL, ptrace and syscall restart breakages (Re: [RFC] weird crap with vdso on uml/i386)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 16:26:08 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110823142608.GB12669@aftab> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110823061531.GC2203@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 02:15:31AM -0400, Al Viro wrote:
> Almost, but not quite. What happens is:
> * process hits syscall insn
> * it's stopped and tracer (guest kernel) does GETREGS
> + looks at the registers (mapped to the normal layout)
> + decides to call sys_brk()
> + notices pages to kick out
> + queues munmap request for stub
> * tracer does SETREGS, pointing the child's eip to stub and sp to stub stack
> * tracer does CONT, letting the child run
> * child finishes with syscall insn, carefully preserving ebp. It returns to
> userland, in the beginning of the stub.
> * child does munmap() and hits int 3 in the end of stub.
> * the damn thing is stopped again. The tracer had been waiting for it.
> * tracer finishes with sys_brk() and returns success.
> * it does SETREGS, setting eax to return value, eip to original return
> address of syscall insn... and ebp to what it had in regs.bp. I.e. the
> damn arg6 value.
Ok, stupid question: can a convoluted ptracing case like this be created
in "normal" userspace, i.e. irrespective of UML and only by using gdb,
for example?
I.e., from what I understand from above, you need to stop the tracee at
syscall and "redirect" it to the stub after it finishes the syscall so
that in another syscall it gets a debug exception... sounds complicated.
> And we are fucked. It doesn't happen in syscall handler. It's int3().
> Having no idea that this request to set ebp should be interpreted in
> a really different way - "put the value I asked to put into ecx here,
> please, and ignore this one".
>
> Sigh... The really ugly part is that ebp can be changed by the stuff
> done in stub - it's not just munmap, it can do mmap as well. We can,
> in principle, save ebp on its stack and restore it before trapping.
> Then uml kernel could, in theory, replace that SETREGS with a bunch of
> POKEUSER, leaving ebp alone. Ho-hum... In principle, that might even
> be not too horrible - we need eax/eip/esp, of course, but the rest
> could be dealt with by the same trick - have it pushed/popped in the
> stub and to hell with wasting syscalls on setting them...
which could mean that we could get away by not replacing SYSCALL32?
Hmm.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-08-23 14:26 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-08-18 18:58 Subject: [PATCH 00/91] pending uml patches Al Viro
2011-08-18 19:12 ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-18 19:19 ` Al Viro
2011-08-19 4:31 ` Al Viro
2011-08-19 8:51 ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-20 1:18 ` [RFC] weird crap with vdso on uml/i386 Al Viro
2011-08-20 15:22 ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-20 20:14 ` Al Viro
2011-08-20 20:55 ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-20 21:26 ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-20 21:38 ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-20 21:40 ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-21 6:34 ` Al Viro
2011-08-21 8:42 ` SYSCALL, ptrace and syscall restart breakages (Re: [RFC] weird crap with vdso on uml/i386) Al Viro
2011-08-21 11:24 ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-21 13:37 ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-21 14:51 ` Al Viro
2011-08-21 14:43 ` Al Viro
2011-08-21 16:41 ` Al Viro
2011-08-22 0:44 ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22 1:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-22 1:19 ` Al Viro
2011-08-22 1:19 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22 21:25 ` [tip:x86/urgent] x86-32, vdso: On system call restart after SYSENTER, use int $0x80 tip-bot for H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 23:40 ` tip-bot for H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22 1:16 ` SYSCALL, ptrace and syscall restart breakages (Re: [RFC] weird crap with vdso on uml/i386) Al Viro
2011-08-22 1:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-22 1:48 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22 2:01 ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22 2:07 ` Al Viro
2011-08-22 2:26 ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22 2:34 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22 4:05 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22 9:53 ` [uml-devel] " Ingo Molnar
2011-08-22 13:34 ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22 14:40 ` Borislav Petkov
2011-08-22 15:13 ` Al Viro
2011-08-22 20:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-22 20:11 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22 21:52 ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22 22:04 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22 23:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-22 23:46 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 0:03 ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 0:07 ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 0:07 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 0:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 1:01 ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 1:13 ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 1:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 2:59 ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 2:17 ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 6:15 ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 14:26 ` Borislav Petkov [this message]
2011-08-23 16:30 ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 16:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 16:11 ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-23 16:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 17:33 ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 18:04 ` Al Viro
2011-08-24 12:44 ` [PATCH] x86, asm: Document some of the syscall asm glue Borislav Petkov
2011-08-23 16:22 ` [uml-devel] SYSCALL, ptrace and syscall restart breakages (Re: [RFC] weird crap with vdso on uml/i386) Borislav Petkov
2011-08-23 16:29 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 16:53 ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 16:58 ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-23 17:07 ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 17:29 ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-25 0:05 ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-23 19:15 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 20:56 ` Borislav Petkov
2011-08-23 21:06 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 21:10 ` Borislav Petkov
2011-08-23 23:04 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-24 21:10 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 16:48 ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 17:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 21:08 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 21:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 23:04 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 19:18 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 19:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 19:26 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 19:41 ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 19:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 21:17 ` Al Viro
[not found] ` <CAObL_7FG8eFTZ4djKH0T8tbRf2h6+iOm=OXr8194nvzc+w+a9A@mail.gmail.com>
2011-08-23 1:18 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22 4:07 ` Al Viro
2011-08-22 4:11 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22 4:26 ` Al Viro
2011-08-22 5:03 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 5:10 ` Andrew Lutomirski
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