public inbox for linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: rjw@sisk.pl, menage@google.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	arnd@arndb.de
Subject: Re: [PATCH 06/16] freezer: make exiting tasks properly unfreezable
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:56:50 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110825165650.GA8006@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110825155957.GJ2803@mtj.dyndns.org>

On 08/25, Tejun Heo wrote:
>
> Yeah, what 'freeze' should do is a bit vague on the edges, I think.
> The freezer can't really halt the whole system operation including
> IOs.  Tasks aren't the only source which can kick those off.  There
> are other asynchronous sources,

Of course.

But still I can't understand why it is better to consider the exiting
task as "frozen" from the very beginning, right after PTRACE_EVENT_EXIT.
do_exit() does a lot of misc things, and this patch simply makes it
"invisible" to the freezer. This looks "unsafe" even if this is fine
for suspend/etc.

To me, try_to_freeze_tasks() should succed when all threads either
sleep in refrigerator(), or ->state = TASK_DEAD (the final schedule()
was called). Until then try_to_freeze_tasks() should retry.

But since we can't see the threads after exit_notify (in general),
the current ->exit_state check looks reasonable.

But again, again, I won't argue.

> Rafael, can you please enlighten
> us on the subject?

Please ;)

> Another freezer user is the cgroup,

Yes. And I don't understand this case too. I mean, the fact we ignore
the exiting tasks.

Oleg.


  reply	other threads:[~2011-08-25 16:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-08-19 14:16 [PATCHSET] freezer: fix various bugs and simplify implementation Tejun Heo
2011-08-19 14:16 ` [PATCH 01/16] freezer: fix current->state restoration race in refrigerator() Tejun Heo
2011-08-19 15:52   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-19 16:11     ` Tejun Heo
2011-08-19 21:08   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-08-20  8:13     ` Tejun Heo
2011-08-19 14:16 ` [PATCH 02/16] freezer: don't unnecessarily set PF_NOFREEZE explicitly Tejun Heo
2011-08-19 16:43   ` Gustavo Padovan
2011-08-22 15:05   ` Samuel Ortiz
2011-08-19 14:16 ` [PATCH 03/16] freezer: unexport refrigerator() and update try_to_freeze() slightly Tejun Heo
2011-08-19 14:16 ` [PATCH 04/16] freezer: implement and use kthread_freezable_should_stop() Tejun Heo
2011-08-19 20:07   ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2011-08-21 19:14   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-22  9:53     ` Tejun Heo
2011-08-23 15:42       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-19 14:16 ` [PATCH 05/16] freezer: rename thaw_process() to __thaw_task() and simplify the implementation Tejun Heo
2011-08-19 15:37   ` Paul Menage
2011-08-24  2:28   ` Matt Helsley
2011-08-19 14:16 ` [PATCH 06/16] freezer: make exiting tasks properly unfreezable Tejun Heo
2011-08-23 15:52   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-23 19:44     ` Tejun Heo
2011-08-24 14:14       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-25 15:59         ` Tejun Heo
2011-08-25 16:56           ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2011-08-25 21:01             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-08-25 21:54               ` Tejun Heo
2011-08-26 21:09                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-08-27 10:35                   ` Tejun Heo
2011-08-27 10:51                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-08-27 11:02                       ` Tejun Heo
2011-08-27 12:22                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-08-25 21:52             ` Tejun Heo
2011-08-24 22:34   ` Matt Helsley
2011-08-25 15:25     ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-25 16:11     ` Tejun Heo
2011-08-19 14:16 ` [PATCH 07/16] freezer: don't distinguish nosig tasks on thaw Tejun Heo
2011-08-19 21:14   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-08-20  8:10     ` Tejun Heo
2011-08-20  8:39       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-08-19 14:16 ` [PATCH 08/16] freezer: use dedicated lock instead of task_lock() + memory barrier Tejun Heo
2011-08-28 17:51   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-28 18:21     ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-29  7:20     ` Tejun Heo
2011-08-19 14:16 ` [PATCH 09/16] freezer: make freezing indicate freeze condition in effect Tejun Heo
2011-08-28 17:56   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-29  7:31     ` Tejun Heo
2011-08-29 17:44     ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-19 14:16 ` [PATCH 10/16] freezer: fix set_freezable[_with_signal]() race Tejun Heo
2011-08-28 18:01   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-29  7:38     ` Tejun Heo
2011-08-19 14:16 ` [PATCH 11/16] freezer: kill PF_FREEZING Tejun Heo
2011-08-19 14:16 ` [PATCH 12/16] freezer: clean up freeze_processes() failure path Tejun Heo
2011-08-28 18:09   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-29  7:28     ` Tejun Heo
2011-08-29  7:40       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-08-19 14:16 ` [PATCH 13/16] cgroup_freezer: prepare for removal of TIF_FREEZE Tejun Heo
2011-08-19 15:40   ` Paul Menage
2011-08-28 17:39   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-29  6:30     ` Tejun Heo
2011-08-19 14:16 ` [PATCH 14/16] freezer: make freezing() test freeze conditions in effect instead " Tejun Heo
2011-08-19 15:43   ` Paul Menage
2011-08-29 15:49   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-29 15:56     ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-29 16:30       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-29 16:17     ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-19 14:16 ` [PATCH 15/16] freezer: remove now unused TIF_FREEZE Tejun Heo
2011-08-19 14:16 ` [PATCH 16/16] freezer: remove should_send_signal() and update frozen() Tejun Heo
2011-08-19 14:23 ` [PATCHSET] freezer: fix various bugs and simplify implementation Tejun Heo
2011-08-19 15:34   ` Paul Menage
2011-08-19 16:25   ` Tejun Heo
2011-08-24  1:10     ` Matt Helsley
2011-08-19 21:00 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-08-20  8:14   ` Tejun Heo
2011-09-05  8:52   ` [BUG] CPU hotplug, freezer: Freezing of tasks failed after 20.00 seconds Srivatsa S. Bhat
2011-09-05 14:15     ` Tejun Heo
2011-09-06  5:08       ` Tejun Heo
2011-09-06  6:01         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-10-02 19:13           ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2011-10-02 19:33             ` Rafael J. Wysocki

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=20110825165650.GA8006@redhat.com \
    --to=oleg@redhat.com \
    --cc=arnd@arndb.de \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=menage@google.com \
    --cc=rjw@sisk.pl \
    --cc=tj@kernel.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox