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[Josh Boyer]

<paul.gortmaker@windriver.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Bcc: 
Subject: stable patch queues and submission
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Hi All,

With kernel.org being down, the stable@kernel.org list is no longer
working.  This leaves me wondering if we should send patches directly to
the various stable tree maintainers with [stable] in the prefix and
linux-kernel CC'd, or if the stable queues are even being maintained
during the outage.

Does anyone have a preference or suggestion on how to continue stable
releases until the list comes back?  (I'm assuming 'wait' isn't really a
best all around option.)

josh

Re: stable patch queues and submission

[Josh Boyer]

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 02:13:07PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:
> <paul.gortmaker@windriver.com>
> Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
> Bcc: 
> Subject: stable patch queues and submission
> Reply-To: 
> 
> Hi All,

Yeah... I blame Friday and mutt for that.  Sorry for the lack of
subject.

josh

stable patch queues and submission

[Greg KH]

> Hi All,
> 
> With kernel.org being down, the stable@kernel.org list is no longer
> working.  This leaves me wondering if we should send patches directly to
> the various stable tree maintainers with [stable] in the prefix and
> linux-kernel CC'd, or if the stable queues are even being maintained
> during the outage.

No, please do not, unless you need something "special", and even then,
please cc: lkml and the developers so it's not lost.

> Does anyone have a preference or suggestion on how to continue stable
> releases until the list comes back?  (I'm assuming 'wait' isn't really a
> best all around option.)

Wait and continue to add the marking to your patches, my scripts are
still running and pulling the patches out and they are going into the
stable queue just fine.  The queue just isn't public at the moment due
to kernel.org being out.

greg k-h

Re: stable patch queues and submission

[Josh Boyer]

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 08:23:50PM +0200, Greg KH wrote:
> > Hi All,
> > 
> > With kernel.org being down, the stable@kernel.org list is no longer
> > working.  This leaves me wondering if we should send patches directly to
> > the various stable tree maintainers with [stable] in the prefix and
> > linux-kernel CC'd, or if the stable queues are even being maintained
> > during the outage.
> 
> No, please do not, unless you need something "special", and even then,
> please cc: lkml and the developers so it's not lost.

Would "special" include patches that are backported for longterm
releases?

> > Does anyone have a preference or suggestion on how to continue stable
> > releases until the list comes back?  (I'm assuming 'wait' isn't really a
> > best all around option.)
> 
> Wait and continue to add the marking to your patches, my scripts are
> still running and pulling the patches out and they are going into the
> stable queue just fine.  The queue just isn't public at the moment due
> to kernel.org being out.

That's good to hear, and works for new patches with CC in the commit
log.  I should have been more clear in that I was more curious about
patches that are needed for longterm kernels but the upstream commits
don't directly apply.  They need to be backported and sent somewhere.

josh

Re: stable patch queues and submission

[Greg KH]

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 02:31:13PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 08:23:50PM +0200, Greg KH wrote:
> > > Hi All,
> > > 
> > > With kernel.org being down, the stable@kernel.org list is no longer
> > > working.  This leaves me wondering if we should send patches directly to
> > > the various stable tree maintainers with [stable] in the prefix and
> > > linux-kernel CC'd, or if the stable queues are even being maintained
> > > during the outage.
> > 
> > No, please do not, unless you need something "special", and even then,
> > please cc: lkml and the developers so it's not lost.
> 
> Would "special" include patches that are backported for longterm
> releases?

Yes.

greg k-h

Re: stable patch queues and submission

[Willy Tarreau]

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 08:23:50PM +0200, Greg KH wrote:
> > Hi All,
> > 
> > With kernel.org being down, the stable@kernel.org list is no longer
> > working.  This leaves me wondering if we should send patches directly to
> > the various stable tree maintainers with [stable] in the prefix and
> > linux-kernel CC'd, or if the stable queues are even being maintained
> > during the outage.
> 
> No, please do not, unless you need something "special", and even then,
> please cc: lkml and the developers so it's not lost.
> 
> > Does anyone have a preference or suggestion on how to continue stable
> > releases until the list comes back?  (I'm assuming 'wait' isn't really a
> > best all around option.)
> 
> Wait and continue to add the marking to your patches, my scripts are
> still running and pulling the patches out and they are going into the
> stable queue just fine.  The queue just isn't public at the moment due
> to kernel.org being out.

I was thinking about an alternative if that can help. If the mails are
sent to our addresses followed by "+stable", they're easy to filter out
to another mailbox (eg: "willy+stable@1wt.eu").

But there are a number of other reviewers on stable@k.o who provide a
lot of value with their reviews, and not having them check the patches
could easily lead to some nasty patches leaking into stable.

Regards,
Willy

Re: stable patch queues and submission

[Greg KH]

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 08:35:16PM +0200, Willy Tarreau wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 08:23:50PM +0200, Greg KH wrote:
> > > Hi All,
> > > 
> > > With kernel.org being down, the stable@kernel.org list is no longer
> > > working.  This leaves me wondering if we should send patches directly to
> > > the various stable tree maintainers with [stable] in the prefix and
> > > linux-kernel CC'd, or if the stable queues are even being maintained
> > > during the outage.
> > 
> > No, please do not, unless you need something "special", and even then,
> > please cc: lkml and the developers so it's not lost.
> > 
> > > Does anyone have a preference or suggestion on how to continue stable
> > > releases until the list comes back?  (I'm assuming 'wait' isn't really a
> > > best all around option.)
> > 
> > Wait and continue to add the marking to your patches, my scripts are
> > still running and pulling the patches out and they are going into the
> > stable queue just fine.  The queue just isn't public at the moment due
> > to kernel.org being out.
> 
> I was thinking about an alternative if that can help. If the mails are
> sent to our addresses followed by "+stable", they're easy to filter out
> to another mailbox (eg: "willy+stable@1wt.eu").
> 
> But there are a number of other reviewers on stable@k.o who provide a
> lot of value with their reviews, and not having them check the patches
> could easily lead to some nasty patches leaking into stable.

I agree, and the review of the final patches during the -rc period will
still happen.

I just don't want to see people start to drop using the "Cc: stable@..."
as part of their patches going to Linus if they somehow think they
should do something else.  This proceedure is still working just fine,
and when kernel.org comes back up, it will return to being an automated
process.

thanks,

greg k-h