[PATCH] Update email address for stable patch submission

[PATCH] Update email address for stable patch submission

[Josh Boyer]

The stable@kernel.org email address has been replaced with the
stable@vger.kernel.org mailing list.  Change the stable kernel rules to
reference the new list instead of the semi-defunct email alias.

CC: <stable@kernel.org>
CC: <stable@vger.kernel.org>
Signed-off-by: Josh Boyer <jwboyer@redhat.com>

---

diff --git a/Documentation/stable_kernel_rules.txt b/Documentation/stable_kernel_rules.txt
index e213f45..21fd05c 100644
--- a/Documentation/stable_kernel_rules.txt
+++ b/Documentation/stable_kernel_rules.txt
@@ -24,10 +24,10 @@ Rules on what kind of patches are accepted, and which ones are not, into the
 Procedure for submitting patches to the -stable tree:
 
  - Send the patch, after verifying that it follows the above rules, to
-   stable@kernel.org.  You must note the upstream commit ID in the changelog
-   of your submission.
+   stable@vger.kernel.org.  You must note the upstream commit ID in the
+   changelog of your submission.
  - To have the patch automatically included in the stable tree, add the tag
-     Cc: stable@kernel.org
+     Cc: stable@vger.kernel.org
    in the sign-off area. Once the patch is merged it will be applied to
    the stable tree without anything else needing to be done by the author
    or subsystem maintainer.
@@ -35,10 +35,10 @@ Procedure for submitting patches to the -stable tree:
    cherry-picked than this can be specified in the following format in
    the sign-off area:
 
-     Cc: <stable@kernel.org> # .32.x: a1f84a3: sched: Check for idle
-     Cc: <stable@kernel.org> # .32.x: 1b9508f: sched: Rate-limit newidle
-     Cc: <stable@kernel.org> # .32.x: fd21073: sched: Fix affinity logic
-     Cc: <stable@kernel.org> # .32.x
+     Cc: <stable@vger.kernel.org> # .32.x: a1f84a3: sched: Check for idle
+     Cc: <stable@vger.kernel.org> # .32.x: 1b9508f: sched: Rate-limit newidle
+     Cc: <stable@vger.kernel.org> # .32.x: fd21073: sched: Fix affinity logic
+     Cc: <stable@vger.kernel.org> # .32.x
     Signed-off-by: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
 
    The tag sequence has the meaning of:

Re: [PATCH] Update email address for stable patch submission

[David Rientjes]

On Mon, 17 Oct 2011, Josh Boyer wrote:

> The stable@kernel.org email address has been replaced with the
> stable@vger.kernel.org mailing list.  Change the stable kernel rules to
> reference the new list instead of the semi-defunct email alias.
> 
> CC: <stable@kernel.org>
> CC: <stable@vger.kernel.org>
> Signed-off-by: Josh Boyer <jwboyer@redhat.com>
> 

Hmm, is stable@vger.kernel.org a replacement for stable@kernel.org or is 
it just temporary until kernel.org is fully back to life?

Re: [PATCH] Update email address for stable patch submission

[Josh Boyer]

On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 06:28:57PM -0700, David Rientjes wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Oct 2011, Josh Boyer wrote:
> 
> > The stable@kernel.org email address has been replaced with the
> > stable@vger.kernel.org mailing list.  Change the stable kernel rules to
> > reference the new list instead of the semi-defunct email alias.
> > 
> > CC: <stable@kernel.org>
> > CC: <stable@vger.kernel.org>
> > Signed-off-by: Josh Boyer <jwboyer@redhat.com>
> > 
> 
> Hmm, is stable@vger.kernel.org a replacement for stable@kernel.org or is 
> it just temporary until kernel.org is fully back to life?

To my understanding, stable@kernel.org is now just a forward to
stable@vger.kernel.org.  However, John mentioned that due to some
configuration issues the vger list might be dropping things from
stable@kernel.org on the floor.  So it's not working in a useful way at
the moment, and from what I can tell patches that need to be backported
and submitted to stable are kind of difficult to get in because of this.

Personally, I'd rather see the vger list take over entirely.  However,
that decision will remain in the more than capable hands of the admins.

josh

Re: [PATCH] Update email address for stable patch submission

[David Rientjes]

On Mon, 17 Oct 2011, Josh Boyer wrote:

> > Hmm, is stable@vger.kernel.org a replacement for stable@kernel.org or is 
> > it just temporary until kernel.org is fully back to life?
> 
> To my understanding, stable@kernel.org is now just a forward to
> stable@vger.kernel.org.

Right, but the question is whether that's temporary or permanent.

> Personally, I'd rather see the vger list take over entirely.  However,
> that decision will remain in the more than capable hands of the admins.
> 

I'm wondering if we have the same replacement for x86@kernel.org which 
I've received multiple bounces from (not sure if it currently is or not, I 
haven't tried because of that recently) or things like security@kernel.org 
or trivial@kernel.org.

Re: [PATCH] Update email address for stable patch submission

[Greg KH]

On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 06:37:48PM -0700, David Rientjes wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Oct 2011, Josh Boyer wrote:
> 
> > > Hmm, is stable@vger.kernel.org a replacement for stable@kernel.org or is 
> > > it just temporary until kernel.org is fully back to life?
> > 
> > To my understanding, stable@kernel.org is now just a forward to
> > stable@vger.kernel.org.
> 
> Right, but the question is whether that's temporary or permanent.

Permanent.

> > Personally, I'd rather see the vger list take over entirely.  However,
> > that decision will remain in the more than capable hands of the admins.
> > 
> 
> I'm wondering if we have the same replacement for x86@kernel.org which 
> I've received multiple bounces from (not sure if it currently is or not, I 
> haven't tried because of that recently) or things like security@kernel.org 
> or trivial@kernel.org.

security@ will remain as-is, when it gets back up and working.  I don't
know about trivial@, I wasn't aware of that one.  The mailman stuff for
kernel.org is pretty far down the list of priority of what is being
worked on.

greg k-h

Re: [PATCH] Update email address for stable patch submission

[David Rientjes]

On Mon, 17 Oct 2011, Greg KH wrote:

> > > To my understanding, stable@kernel.org is now just a forward to
> > > stable@vger.kernel.org.
> > 
> > Right, but the question is whether that's temporary or permanent.
> 
> Permanent.
> 

Ok, thanks for the clarification, that means Josh's patch is the absolute 
right thing to do.

Acked-by: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>

Re: [PATCH] Update email address for stable patch submission

[Jiri Kosina]

On Mon, 17 Oct 2011, Greg KH wrote:

> security@ will remain as-is, when it gets back up and working.  I don't
> know about trivial@, I wasn't aware of that one.  The mailman stuff for
> kernel.org is pretty far down the list of priority of what is being
> worked on.

FWIW trivial@ wasn't powered as mailman list, but only a simple forward. 
John has fixed that one already and it's working again.

-- 
Jiri Kosina
SUSE Labs

Re: [PATCH] Update email address for stable patch submission

[Christoph Hellwig]

On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 09:16:39PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:
> The stable@kernel.org email address has been replaced with the
> stable@vger.kernel.org mailing list.  Change the stable kernel rules to
> reference the new list instead of the semi-defunct email alias.

Does this mean it already stopped working?  I recently sent pathces
there but neither got an ACK nor a bounce or similar.

Re: [PATCH] Update email address for stable patch submission

[David Rientjes]

On Tue, 18 Oct 2011, Christoph Hellwig wrote:

> > The stable@kernel.org email address has been replaced with the
> > stable@vger.kernel.org mailing list.  Change the stable kernel rules to
> > reference the new list instead of the semi-defunct email alias.
> 
> Does this mean it already stopped working?  I recently sent pathces
> there but neither got an ACK nor a bounce or similar.
> 

It was bouncing (and noticably so) as of a week ago but I believe hpa has 
since setup an alias to point to stable@vger.kernel.org.  Linus cc'd his 
own commit to it yesterday, a84a79e4d369, so as long as you didn't get a 
bounce email it should have gone through.

 [ I believe Greg also has gone through everything with a
   "Cc: stable@kernel.org" in Linus' tree as well, either automatically 
   or because of the bounces. ]

Re: [PATCH] Update email address for stable patch submission

[Greg KH]

On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 01:07:38AM -0700, David Rientjes wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Oct 2011, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> 
> > > The stable@kernel.org email address has been replaced with the
> > > stable@vger.kernel.org mailing list.  Change the stable kernel rules to
> > > reference the new list instead of the semi-defunct email alias.
> > 
> > Does this mean it already stopped working?  I recently sent pathces
> > there but neither got an ACK nor a bounce or similar.
> > 
> 
> It was bouncing (and noticably so) as of a week ago but I believe hpa has 
> since setup an alias to point to stable@vger.kernel.org.  Linus cc'd his 
> own commit to it yesterday, a84a79e4d369, so as long as you didn't get a 
> bounce email it should have gone through.
> 
>  [ I believe Greg also has gone through everything with a
>    "Cc: stable@kernel.org" in Linus' tree as well, either automatically 
>    or because of the bounces. ]

Automatically, scripts are nice :)

Re: [PATCH] Update email address for stable patch submission

[David Miller]

From: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 01:07:38 -0700 (PDT)

> On Tue, 18 Oct 2011, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> 
>> > The stable@kernel.org email address has been replaced with the
>> > stable@vger.kernel.org mailing list.  Change the stable kernel rules to
>> > reference the new list instead of the semi-defunct email alias.
>> 
>> Does this mean it already stopped working?  I recently sent pathces
>> there but neither got an ACK nor a bounce or similar.
>> 
> 
> It was bouncing (and noticably so) as of a week ago but I believe hpa has 
> since setup an alias to point to stable@vger.kernel.org.  Linus cc'd his 
> own commit to it yesterday, a84a79e4d369, so as long as you didn't get a 
> bounce email it should have gone through.

Not true.  VGER eats them silently because the forward from
stable@kernel.org contains headers that are commonly found in
looped-back postings which we regexp block at vger.  If vger responded
in some way it would just exacerbate any real list loop.

Warty didn't thing he could fix it easily, so we decided it was most easy
to just go straight to solely using stable@vger.kernel.org and just shut
down stable@kernel.org

Re: [PATCH] Update email address for stable patch submission

[Greg KH]

On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 03:14:21PM -0400, David Miller wrote:
> From: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 01:07:38 -0700 (PDT)
> 
> > On Tue, 18 Oct 2011, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > 
> >> > The stable@kernel.org email address has been replaced with the
> >> > stable@vger.kernel.org mailing list.  Change the stable kernel rules to
> >> > reference the new list instead of the semi-defunct email alias.
> >> 
> >> Does this mean it already stopped working?  I recently sent pathces
> >> there but neither got an ACK nor a bounce or similar.
> >> 
> > 
> > It was bouncing (and noticably so) as of a week ago but I believe hpa has 
> > since setup an alias to point to stable@vger.kernel.org.  Linus cc'd his 
> > own commit to it yesterday, a84a79e4d369, so as long as you didn't get a 
> > bounce email it should have gone through.
> 
> Not true.  VGER eats them silently because the forward from
> stable@kernel.org contains headers that are commonly found in
> looped-back postings which we regexp block at vger.  If vger responded
> in some way it would just exacerbate any real list loop.
> 
> Warty didn't thing he could fix it easily, so we decided it was most easy
> to just go straight to solely using stable@vger.kernel.org and just shut
> down stable@kernel.org

That's fine with me, and if stable@kernel.org is removed, it's best to
see the bounce-back happen, instead of them disappearing quietly.

greg k-h

Re: [PATCH] Update email address for stable patch submission

[Greg KH]

On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 02:58:52AM -0400, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 09:16:39PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:
> > The stable@kernel.org email address has been replaced with the
> > stable@vger.kernel.org mailing list.  Change the stable kernel rules to
> > reference the new list instead of the semi-defunct email alias.
> 
> Does this mean it already stopped working?  I recently sent pathces
> there but neither got an ACK nor a bounce or similar.

It should have bounced.

But, if you put a "Cc: stable@kernel.org" in the patch, I'm still
picking that up properly when it goes to Linus's tree.

If I haven't responded to any patches you have sent to stable@ already,
please resend them to stable@vger.kernel.org and cc: me to ensure it
gets here.

thanks,

greg k-h

Re: [PATCH] Update email address for stable patch submission

[Christoph Hellwig]

On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 07:13:50AM -0700, Greg KH wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 02:58:52AM -0400, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 09:16:39PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:
> > > The stable@kernel.org email address has been replaced with the
> > > stable@vger.kernel.org mailing list.  Change the stable kernel rules to
> > > reference the new list instead of the semi-defunct email alias.
> > 
> > Does this mean it already stopped working?  I recently sent pathces
> > there but neither got an ACK nor a bounce or similar.
> 
> It should have bounced.
> 
> But, if you put a "Cc: stable@kernel.org" in the patch, I'm still
> picking that up properly when it goes to Linus's tree.

Doesn't help if two of the patch have been for a while, and the
others need various small updates to apply against 3.0 (file renames
and macro removal)

Re: [PATCH] Update email address for stable patch submission

[Josh Boyer]

On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 07:13:50AM -0700, Greg KH wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 02:58:52AM -0400, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 09:16:39PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:
> > > The stable@kernel.org email address has been replaced with the
> > > stable@vger.kernel.org mailing list.  Change the stable kernel rules to
> > > reference the new list instead of the semi-defunct email alias.
> > 
> > Does this mean it already stopped working?  I recently sent pathces
> > there but neither got an ACK nor a bounce or similar.
> 
> It should have bounced.

It doesn't bounce anymore.  The alias exists again, and it forwards to
the vger list.  However, there are some configuration issues where some
kind of email loop (I'm very fuzzy on the details) can/does occur
between the two, and as far as I know anything getting sent to
stable@kernel.org is getting dropped on the floor.

> But, if you put a "Cc: stable@kernel.org" in the patch, I'm still
> picking that up properly when it goes to Linus's tree.
> 
> If I haven't responded to any patches you have sent to stable@ already,
> please resend them to stable@vger.kernel.org and cc: me to ensure it
> gets here.

As Christoph said, that doesn't help patches that need to be
retro-actively submitted.  I sent a couple last night before I
remembered the problems, hence this patch.

josh

Re: [PATCH] Update email address for stable patch submission

[David Miller]

From: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 07:13:50 -0700

> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 02:58:52AM -0400, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 09:16:39PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:
>> > The stable@kernel.org email address has been replaced with the
>> > stable@vger.kernel.org mailing list.  Change the stable kernel rules to
>> > reference the new list instead of the semi-defunct email alias.
>> 
>> Does this mean it already stopped working?  I recently sent pathces
>> there but neither got an ACK nor a bounce or similar.
> 
> It should have bounced.

It doesn't bounce, it's a mailing list looping posting protection at
vger.kernel.org which triggers because it sees certain email header
fields in the forwarded emails from kernel.org that make it look like
a list loop.

We respond to such things silently so we don't exacerbate the loop.