From: Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@gmail.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@parallels.com>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Glauber Costa <glommer@parallels.com>,
Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
Matt Helsley <matthltc@us.ibm.com>,
Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>,
Vasiliy Kulikov <segoon@openwall.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/4] Checkpoint/Restore: Show in proc IDs of objects that can be shared between tasks
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 01:03:22 +0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20111118210322.GD21041@moon> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20111118123728.554b45e7.akpm@linux-foundation.org>
On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:37:28PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
...
> >
> > Actually the address is not exposed in open-form but rather xor'ed with
> > a random number, still from security pov it's not clear if it's really useful
> > for attacker to obtain inverted low bits of the former random number (which
> > might happen on aligned addresses).
> >
>
> Of course. But
>
> a) I'm not sure that this scheme actually protects the kernel
> addresses - there may be way in which cunning userspace can work out
> the random mask.
>
Well, in case of hw-rng it should not be that easy, still of course
there is no 100% guarantee that there is absolutely no way to predict
this mask (espec since it's generated once at lives here forever). But
whatever makes attacker life harder -- is a good thing. After all we might
simply take some hash on kernel address here (such as sha256) since it's
not a time-critical operation and as far as I know collision is not found
for it yet (??).
> b) If we can export these addresses only to CAP_SYS_ADMIN tasks then
> we don't need to obfuscate them anyway.
>
> Which takes me back to again asking: why not make c/r root-only?
> And provide non-root access via a carefully-written setuid
> front-end?
>
I think non-root approach is a win in a long term (even if it requires
some new CAP_ for that). The less root priviledge needed -- then better.
Having it root-only is easier of course and solves the problem of masking
kernel addresses from untrusted user-space agents, but still. Pavel, what
do you think about root-only?
Cyrill
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-11-18 21:03 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-11-17 9:55 [PATCH v2 0/4] Checkpoint/Restore: Show in proc IDs of objects that can be shared between tasks Pavel Emelyanov
2011-11-17 9:56 ` [PATCH 1/4] Routine for generating a safe ID for kernel pointer Pavel Emelyanov
2011-11-17 9:56 ` [PATCH 2/4] proc: Show namespaces IDs in /proc/pid/ns/* files Pavel Emelyanov
2011-11-17 9:56 ` [PATCH 3/4] proc: Show open file ID in /proc/pid/fdinfo/* Pavel Emelyanov
2011-11-17 20:48 ` [PATCH v2 0/4] Checkpoint/Restore: Show in proc IDs of objects that can be shared between tasks Andrew Morton
2011-11-18 9:24 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2011-11-18 19:07 ` Andrew Morton
2011-11-18 20:03 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2011-11-18 20:37 ` Andrew Morton
2011-11-18 21:03 ` Cyrill Gorcunov [this message]
2011-11-18 21:09 ` Pekka Enberg
2011-11-18 22:10 ` Kyle Moffett
2011-11-18 23:46 ` Tejun Heo
2011-11-19 1:09 ` Kyle Moffett
2011-11-19 5:30 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2011-11-18 23:38 ` Matt Helsley
2011-11-19 5:35 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2011-11-19 7:57 ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2011-11-19 8:10 ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2011-11-19 8:18 ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2011-11-19 15:34 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
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