From: Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@gmail.com>
To: Matt Helsley <matthltc@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@parallels.com>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Glauber Costa <glommer@parallels.com>,
Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>,
Vasiliy Kulikov <segoon@openwall.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/4] Checkpoint/Restore: Show in proc IDs of objects that can be shared between tasks
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 09:35:26 +0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20111119053526.GF21041@moon> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20111118233840.GC6408@count0.beaverton.ibm.com>
On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 03:38:40PM -0800, Matt Helsley wrote:
...
> >
> > Well, in case of hw-rng it should not be that easy, still of course
> > there is no 100% guarantee that there is absolutely no way to predict
> > this mask (espec since it's generated once at lives here forever). But
>
> The random number itself could be of the best quality and the obfuscation
> could still be completely broken from a security standpoint. Put another
> way, we don't need to attack the method the random number was generated.
> We could probably utilize information we have about how the addresses
> themselves are generated.
>
Agreed.
> > whatever makes attacker life harder -- is a good thing. After all we might
> > simply take some hash on kernel address here (such as sha256) since it's
> > not a time-critical operation and as far as I know collision is not found
> > for it yet (??).
>
> Yes, cryptographic hashing seems much better than a highly suspect ad-hoc
> scheme which has barely been analyzed.
>
I'm surely fine with using crypto-hashes here.
> >
> > > b) If we can export these addresses only to CAP_SYS_ADMIN tasks then
> > > we don't need to obfuscate them anyway.
> > >
> > > Which takes me back to again asking: why not make c/r root-only?
> > > And provide non-root access via a carefully-written setuid
> > > front-end?
> > >
> >
> > I think non-root approach is a win in a long term (even if it requires
>
> You could go with the root approach for now and make things more
> permissive later.
>
Root-only makes all things easier, but I fear if we don't start with
non-root from the very beginning it'll remain root-only forever ;)
Cyrill
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-11-19 5:35 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-11-17 9:55 [PATCH v2 0/4] Checkpoint/Restore: Show in proc IDs of objects that can be shared between tasks Pavel Emelyanov
2011-11-17 9:56 ` [PATCH 1/4] Routine for generating a safe ID for kernel pointer Pavel Emelyanov
2011-11-17 9:56 ` [PATCH 2/4] proc: Show namespaces IDs in /proc/pid/ns/* files Pavel Emelyanov
2011-11-17 9:56 ` [PATCH 3/4] proc: Show open file ID in /proc/pid/fdinfo/* Pavel Emelyanov
2011-11-17 20:48 ` [PATCH v2 0/4] Checkpoint/Restore: Show in proc IDs of objects that can be shared between tasks Andrew Morton
2011-11-18 9:24 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2011-11-18 19:07 ` Andrew Morton
2011-11-18 20:03 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2011-11-18 20:37 ` Andrew Morton
2011-11-18 21:03 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2011-11-18 21:09 ` Pekka Enberg
2011-11-18 22:10 ` Kyle Moffett
2011-11-18 23:46 ` Tejun Heo
2011-11-19 1:09 ` Kyle Moffett
2011-11-19 5:30 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2011-11-18 23:38 ` Matt Helsley
2011-11-19 5:35 ` Cyrill Gorcunov [this message]
2011-11-19 7:57 ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2011-11-19 8:10 ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2011-11-19 8:18 ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2011-11-19 15:34 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
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