From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Yong Zhang <yong.zhang0@gmail.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@elte.hu,
laijs@cn.fujitsu.com, dipankar@in.ibm.com,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca,
josh@joshtriplett.org, niv@us.ibm.com, tglx@linutronix.de,
Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, dhowells@redhat.com,
eric.dumazet@gmail.com, darren@dvhart.com, patches@linaro.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 7/7] rcu: Quiet RCU-lockdep warnings involving interrupt disabling
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 08:04:55 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20111206160455.GC2325@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1323174405.30977.86.camel@frodo>
On Tue, Dec 06, 2011 at 07:26:45AM -0500, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-12-06 at 11:32 +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>
> > > >
> > > > > Maybe we could teach might_sleep() about this special case?
> > > >
> > > > Sounds horrid.
> > >
> > > Maybe, any alternative?
> >
> > Maybe someone explain this mess first?
>
> Me too, because this looks like a hack that's just like a lie. The first
> lie to be said gets you out of a bit of trouble, but then something else
> happens based on that lie, in which you need to make another bigger lie.
> This new lie affects more people and requires new more ingenious lies to
> control the chaos. But eventually the lies required to keep everything
> going become so overwhelming that it all blows up in your face and you
> end up looking like a jackass.
>
> Why is rcu using rt_mutex_lock() in strange ways? It's lying about its
> use. And now this patch is the bigger lie to get around the issues of
> the first lie. Eventually this code will continue to expand largely
> based on these lies and will explode in our faces, and I feel sorry for
> the poor jackass that needs to fix it.
>
> Perhaps the real answer is that we need to create an API for priority
> inheritance, that things like RCU could use. Attach a task that another
> task requires to finish something and boost the priority of that task.
> Maybe even completions could use such a thing?
I would be OK with that -- that was in fact the approach I was taking
when I was advised to use mutexes instead. ;-)
Thanx, Paul
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-12-06 16:06 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-12-03 18:34 [PATCH tip/core/rcu 0/7] Preview of fourth set of RCU changes for 3.3 Paul E. McKenney
2011-12-03 18:34 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 1/7] rcu: Don't check irq nesting from rcu idle entry/exit Paul E. McKenney
2011-12-03 18:34 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 2/7] rcu: Irq nesting is always 0 on rcu_enter_idle_common Paul E. McKenney
2011-12-03 18:34 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 3/7] rcu: Keep invoking callbacks if CPU otherwise idle Paul E. McKenney
2011-12-03 18:34 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 4/7] rcu: Adaptive dyntick-idle preparation Paul E. McKenney
2011-12-03 18:34 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 5/7] rcu: remove redundant rcu_cpu_stall_suppress declaration Paul E. McKenney
2011-12-03 18:34 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 6/7] driver-core/cpu: Add cpu_is_hotpluggable() for rcutorture error analysis Paul E. McKenney
2011-12-03 21:06 ` Josh Triplett
2011-12-03 23:14 ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-12-03 18:34 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 7/7] rcu: Quiet RCU-lockdep warnings involving interrupt disabling Paul E. McKenney
2011-12-05 9:19 ` Yong Zhang
2011-12-05 16:45 ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-12-06 1:26 ` Yong Zhang
2011-12-06 2:12 ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-12-06 3:27 ` [PATCH 1/3] kernel.h: sched: introduce might_sleep_disabled() Yong Zhang
2011-12-06 3:28 ` [PATCH 2/3] rtmutex: introduce rt_mutex_lock_irqdisabled() Yong Zhang
2011-12-06 3:29 ` [PATCH 3/3] rcu: use rt_mutex_lock_irqdisabled() in rcu_boost() Yong Zhang
2011-12-06 9:52 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 7/7] rcu: Quiet RCU-lockdep warnings involving interrupt disabling Peter Zijlstra
2011-12-06 10:05 ` Yong Zhang
2011-12-06 10:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-12-06 12:26 ` Steven Rostedt
2011-12-06 16:04 ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2011-12-06 16:33 ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-12-06 16:56 ` Steven Rostedt
2011-12-06 17:16 ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-12-06 10:27 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-12-06 16:11 ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-12-06 16:14 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-12-06 16:01 ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-12-05 9:41 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-12-05 10:03 ` Yong Zhang
2011-12-05 16:48 ` Paul E. McKenney
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