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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: avi@redhat.com, nate@cpanel.net, cl@linux-foundation.org,
	oleg@redhat.com, axboe@kernel.dk, vgoyal@redhat.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCHSET] block, mempool, percpu: implement percpu mempool and fix blkcg percpu alloc deadlock
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 17:14:32 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20111222171432.e429c041.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20111222235455.GT17084@google.com>

On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 15:54:55 -0800 Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 03:41:38PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > All the code I'm looking at assumes that blkio_group.stats_cpu is
> > non-zero.  Won't the kerenl just go splat if that allocation failed?
> > 
> > If the code *does* correctly handle ->stats_cpu == NULL then we have
> > options.
> 
> I think it's supposed to just skip creating whole blk_group if percpu
> allocation fails, so ->stats_cpu of existing groups are guaranteed to
> be !%NULL.

What is the role of ->elevator_set_req_fn()?  And when is it called?

It seems that we allocate the blkio_group within the
elevator_set_req_fn() context?

(Your stack trace in the "block: fix deadlock through percpu allocation
in blk-cgroup" changelog is some unuseful ACPI thing.  It would be
better if it were to show the offending trace into the block code).

> > a) Give userspace a new procfs/debugfs file to start stats gathering
> >    on a particular cgroup/request_queue pair.  Allocate the stats
> >    memory in that.
> > 
> > b) Or allocate stats_cpu on the first call to blkio_read_stat_cpu()
> >    and return zeroes for this first call.
> 
> Hmmm... IIRC, the stats aren't exported per cgroup-request_queue pair,
> so reads are issued per cgroup.  We can't tell which request_queues
> userland is actually interested in.

Doesn't matter.  The stats are allocated on a per-blkio_group basis. 
blkio_read_stat_cpu() is passed the blkio_group.  Populate ->stats_cpu
there.

Advantages:

- performs allocation with the more reliable GPF_KERNEL

- avoids burdening users with the space and CPU overhead when they're
  not using the stats 

- avoids adding more code into the mempool code.

> > c) Or change the low-level code to do
> >    blkio_group.want_stats_cpu=true, then test that at the top level
> >    after we've determined that blkio_group.stats_cpu is NULL.
> 
> Not following.  Where's the "top level"?

Somewhere appropriate where we can use GFP_KERNEL.  ie: the correct
context for percpu_alloc().


Separately...

Mixing mempools and percpu_alloc() in the proposed fashion seems a
pretty poor fit.  mempools are for high-frequency low-level allocations
which have key characteristics: there are typically a finite number of
elements in flight and we *know* that elements are being freed in a
timely manner.

This doesn't fit with percpu_alloc(), which is a very heavyweight
operation requiring GFP_KERNEL and it doesn't fit with
blkio_group_stats_cpu because blkio_group_stats_cpu does not have the
"freed in a timely manner" behaviour.

To resolve these things you've added the workqueue to keep the pool
populated, which turns percpu_mempool into a quite different concept
which happens to borrow some mempool code (not necessarily a bad thing).
This will result in some memory wastage, keeping that pool full.

More significantly, it's pretty unreliable: if the allocations outpace
the kernel thread's ability to refill the pool, all we can do is to
wait for the kernel thread to do some work.  But we're holding
low-level locks while doing that wait, which will block the kernel
thread.  Deadlock.

  reply	other threads:[~2011-12-23  1:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-12-22 21:45 [PATCHSET] block, mempool, percpu: implement percpu mempool and fix blkcg percpu alloc deadlock Tejun Heo
2011-12-22 21:45 ` [PATCH 1/7] mempool: fix and document synchronization and memory barrier usage Tejun Heo
2011-12-22 21:45 ` [PATCH 2/7] mempool: drop unnecessary and incorrect BUG_ON() from mempool_destroy() Tejun Heo
2011-12-22 21:45 ` [PATCH 3/7] mempool: fix first round failure behavior Tejun Heo
2011-12-22 21:45 ` [PATCH 4/7] mempool: factor out mempool_fill() Tejun Heo
2011-12-22 21:45 ` [PATCH 5/7] mempool: separate out __mempool_create() Tejun Heo
2011-12-22 21:45 ` [PATCH 6/7] mempool, percpu: implement percpu mempool Tejun Heo
2011-12-22 21:45 ` [PATCH 7/7] block: fix deadlock through percpu allocation in blk-cgroup Tejun Heo
2011-12-23  1:00   ` Vivek Goyal
2011-12-23 22:54     ` Tejun Heo
2011-12-22 21:59 ` [PATCHSET] block, mempool, percpu: implement percpu mempool and fix blkcg percpu alloc deadlock Andrew Morton
2011-12-22 22:09   ` Tejun Heo
2011-12-22 22:20     ` Andrew Morton
2011-12-22 22:41       ` Tejun Heo
2011-12-22 22:54         ` Andrew Morton
2011-12-22 23:00           ` Tejun Heo
2011-12-22 23:16             ` Andrew Morton
2011-12-22 23:24               ` Tejun Heo
2011-12-22 23:41                 ` Andrew Morton
2011-12-22 23:54                   ` Tejun Heo
2011-12-23  1:14                     ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2011-12-23 15:17                       ` Vivek Goyal
2011-12-27 18:34                       ` Tejun Heo
2011-12-27 21:20                         ` Andrew Morton
2011-12-27 21:44                           ` Tejun Heo
2011-12-27 21:58                             ` Andrew Morton
2011-12-27 22:22                               ` Tejun Heo
2011-12-23  1:21                   ` Vivek Goyal
2011-12-23  1:38                     ` Andrew Morton
2011-12-23  2:54                       ` Vivek Goyal
2011-12-23  3:11                         ` Andrew Morton
2011-12-23 14:58                           ` Vivek Goyal
2011-12-27 21:25                             ` Andrew Morton
2011-12-27 22:07                               ` Tejun Heo
2011-12-27 22:21                                 ` Andrew Morton
2011-12-27 22:30                                   ` Tejun Heo
2012-01-16 15:26                                     ` Vivek Goyal
2011-12-23  1:40       ` Vivek Goyal
2011-12-23  1:58         ` Andrew Morton
2011-12-23  2:56           ` Vivek Goyal
2011-12-26  6:05             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-12-27 17:52               ` Tejun Heo
2011-12-28  0:14                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-12-28  0:41                   ` Tejun Heo
2012-01-05  1:28                     ` Tejun Heo
2012-01-16 15:28                       ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-09 23:58                       ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-10 16:26                         ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-13 22:31                           ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-15 15:43                             ` Vivek Goyal
2011-12-23 14:46           ` Vivek Goyal

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