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From: Stefan Richter <stefanr@s5r6.in-berlin.de>
To: Andy Grover <agrover@redhat.com>
Cc: Clemens Ladisch <clemens@ladisch.de>,
	Chris Boot <bootc@bootc.net>,
	target-devel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux1394-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: FireWire/SBP2 Target mode
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 22:41:56 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120201224156.0773ebc6@stein> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4F29978A.3010707@redhat.com>

On Feb 01 Andy Grover wrote:
> You're saying the sbp2 protocol can theoretically be used other places
> besides firewire? I'd say put it all in the fabric module for now.

While SBP-2 is explicitly specified for IEEE 1394 a.k.a. FireWire only,
it could be used on any bus architecture which implements IEEE 1212
"Control and Status Registers (CSR) Architecture for Microcomputer
Buses".  But IEEE 1394 a.k.a. FireWire is nowadays the only remaining IEEE
1212 implementation, as far as I know.

On the other hand, the transport protocol SBP-2 can be used to encapsulate
various protocols besides SCSI.  A long time ago I heard that there were
SBP-2 printers that weren't SCSI printers, but I may have confused
something.

The current version of the protocol, SBP-3 which extends SBP-2
in an upwards compatible way, has been developed specifically in
order to transport AV/C command sets.  (AV/C is a set of specifications
from the 1394 Trade Association that build on top of IEC 61883 "Consumer
audio/video equipment - Digital interface" and is used for camcorders,
audio interfaces, studio-grade video equipment, TV set top boxes etc.)
But I am not aware of any existing SBP-3 target or SBP-3 initiator which
actually implements AV/C.

So in short,
  - SBP-2/3 is only used on the FireWire bus.
  - Potentially there could be SBP-2/3 targets or initiators that
    implement something else than SCSI.  But stock SBP-2/3 initiator
    drivers of popular OSs are SCSI initiators, and non-SCSI SBP-2/3
    targets are extremely rare or don't exist actually.
-- 
Stefan Richter
-=====-===-- --=- ----=
http://arcgraph.de/sr/

  reply	other threads:[~2012-02-01 21:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 100+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-08-17 14:51 FireWire/SBP2 Target mode Chris Boot
2011-08-17 18:57 ` Stefan Richter
2011-08-18 16:19 ` Clemens Ladisch
2012-02-01 19:50   ` Andy Grover
2012-02-01 21:41     ` Stefan Richter [this message]
2012-02-02  9:22       ` Boaz Harrosh
2012-02-02 10:09         ` Clemens Ladisch
2012-02-06 13:13           ` Chris Boot
2012-02-06 14:43             ` Clemens Ladisch
2012-02-06 14:51               ` Chris Boot
2012-02-06 20:26                 ` Stefan Richter
2012-02-06 22:28                   ` Chris Boot
2012-02-06 23:00                     ` Julian Calaby
2012-02-06 23:09                       ` Chris Boot
2012-02-07  7:38                         ` Chris Boot
2012-02-07 10:06                           ` Julian Calaby
2012-02-07 19:17                           ` Stefan Richter
2012-02-07 19:53                             ` Chris Boot
2012-02-11 19:43 ` [RFC][PATCH 00/13] firewire-sbp-target: FireWire SBP-2 SCSI target Chris Boot
2012-02-11 19:44   ` [PATCH 01/13] firewire: Add function to get speed from opaque struct fw_request Chris Boot
2012-02-11 19:44   ` [PATCH 02/13] firewire: Add EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(fw_card_release) Chris Boot
2012-02-11 19:44   ` [PATCH 03/13] firewire-sbp-target: Add Kconfig, Makefile and TODO Chris Boot
2012-02-13 12:50     ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-02-11 19:44   ` [PATCH 04/13] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_base.h header Chris Boot
2012-02-11 19:44   ` [PATCH 05/13] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_configfs.c Chris Boot
2012-02-11 19:44   ` [PATCH 06/13] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_fabric.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-02-13 13:06     ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
     [not found]       ` <337FFBD7-6B4A-41CA-BB57-6038C935B5BF@bootc.net>
2012-02-13 19:53         ` Stefan Richter
2012-02-13 22:41         ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-02-11 19:44   ` [PATCH 07/13] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_proto.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-02-11 19:44   ` [PATCH 08/13] firewire-sbp-target: add sbp_management_agent.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-02-11 19:44   ` [PATCH 09/13] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_login.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-02-11 19:44   ` [PATCH 10/13] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_target_agent.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-02-11 19:44   ` [PATCH 11/13] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_scsi_cmnd.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-02-11 19:44   ` [PATCH 12/13] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_util.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-02-11 19:44   ` [PATCH 13/13] firewire-sbp-target: Add to target Kconfig and Makefile Chris Boot
2012-02-12 14:12   ` [RFC][PATCH 00/13] firewire-sbp-target: FireWire SBP-2 SCSI target Stefan Richter
2012-02-12 15:13     ` Chris Boot
2012-02-12 16:16       ` Stefan Richter
2012-02-15 14:47   ` [PATCH v2 00/11] " Chris Boot
2012-02-15 14:47     ` [PATCH v2 01/11] firewire: Add function to get speed from opaque struct fw_request Chris Boot
2012-02-15 19:09       ` Stefan Richter
2012-02-15 19:10         ` Chris Boot
2012-02-15 22:01           ` Stefan Richter
2012-02-16  9:12             ` Chris Boot
2012-02-15 14:47     ` [PATCH v2 02/11] firewire: Move fw_card kref functions into linux/firewire.h Chris Boot
2012-02-15 19:10       ` Stefan Richter
2012-02-16  9:18         ` Chris Boot
2012-02-15 14:47     ` [PATCH v2 03/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add Kconfig, Makefile and TODO Chris Boot
2012-02-15 14:47     ` [PATCH v2 04/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_base.h header Chris Boot
2012-02-15 19:15       ` Stefan Richter
2012-02-16  9:55         ` Chris Boot
2012-02-15 14:47     ` [PATCH v2 05/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_configfs.c Chris Boot
2012-02-15 19:21       ` Stefan Richter
2012-02-16  9:57         ` Chris Boot
2012-02-16 13:48           ` Stefan Richter
2012-02-15 14:47     ` [PATCH v2 06/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_fabric.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-02-15 14:47     ` [PATCH v2 07/11] firewire-sbp-target: add sbp_management_agent.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-02-15 19:48       ` Stefan Richter
2012-02-16 10:28         ` Chris Boot
2012-02-16 14:12           ` Stefan Richter
2012-02-15 14:47     ` [PATCH v2 08/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_login.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-02-15 21:00       ` Stefan Richter
2012-02-16 11:21         ` Chris Boot
2012-03-03 17:37           ` Stefan Richter
2012-03-15 17:48             ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-15 14:47     ` [PATCH v2 09/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_target_agent.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-02-15 21:27       ` Stefan Richter
2012-02-16 11:25         ` Chris Boot
2012-02-18 14:59           ` Stefan Richter
2012-02-18 15:05             ` Chris Boot
2012-02-15 14:47     ` [PATCH v2 10/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_scsi_cmnd.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-02-15 14:47     ` [PATCH v2 11/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add to target Kconfig and Makefile Chris Boot
2012-04-11 14:20     ` [PATCH v3 00/11] firewire-sbp-target: FireWire SBP-2 SCSI target Chris Boot
2012-04-11 14:20       ` [PATCH 01/11] firewire: Add function to get speed from opaque struct fw_request Chris Boot
2012-04-11 14:20       ` [PATCH 02/11] firewire: Move fw_card kref functions into linux/firewire.h Chris Boot
2012-04-11 14:20       ` [PATCH 03/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add Kconfig, Makefile and TODO Chris Boot
2012-04-11 14:20       ` [PATCH 04/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_base.h header Chris Boot
2012-04-11 14:20       ` [PATCH 05/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_configfs.c Chris Boot
2012-04-11 14:20       ` [PATCH 06/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_fabric.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-04-11 14:20       ` [PATCH 07/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_management_agent.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-04-11 14:20       ` [PATCH 08/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_login.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-04-14 10:17         ` Stefan Richter
2012-04-11 14:20       ` [PATCH 09/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_target_agent.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-04-14 10:49         ` Stefan Richter
2012-04-14 11:33           ` Stefan Richter
2012-04-11 14:20       ` [PATCH 10/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add sbp_scsi_cmnd.{c,h} Chris Boot
2012-04-11 14:20       ` [PATCH 11/11] firewire-sbp-target: Add to target Kconfig and Makefile Chris Boot
2012-04-12 21:02       ` [PATCH v3 00/11] firewire-sbp-target: FireWire SBP-2 SCSI target Andy Grover
2012-04-13  3:03       ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-04-13 13:16         ` Chris Boot
2012-04-14  1:23           ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-04-14  9:12             ` [PATCH 0/2] sbp-target: cleanup after merge into single file Chris Boot
2012-04-14  9:12               ` [PATCH 1/2] sbp-target: minor cleanups after merging " Chris Boot
2012-04-14  9:12               ` [PATCH 2/2] sbp-target: update TODO file Chris Boot
2012-04-14 21:44               ` [PATCH 0/2] sbp-target: cleanup after merge into single file Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-04-14 23:11                 ` Stefan Richter
2012-04-15  1:22                   ` Nicholas A. Bellinger
2012-04-17 10:48             ` [PATCH v3 00/11] firewire-sbp-target: FireWire SBP-2 SCSI target Chris Boot
2012-04-18  7:17               ` Nicholas A. Bellinger

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