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From: Vasiliy Kulikov <segoon@openwall.com>
To: kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com
Cc: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Ubuntu security discussion <ubuntu-hardened@lists.ubuntu.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, David Windsor <dwindsor@gmail.com>,
	pageexec@freemail.hu, spender@grsecurity.net
Subject: Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: Add overflow protection to kref
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:37:19 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120217193719.GA4187@albatros> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120217175445.GC29902@kroah.com>

On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 09:54 -0800, Greg KH wrote:
> I'm referring to the fact that the use of kref in this type of error or
> problem is rare.
> 
> Yes, we have these types of problems at times, but a kref doesn't seem
> to be involved in them that I know of, so changing the kref code
> wouldn't help here from what I can tell.

Ehr, what's the difference between kref and "raw" atomic_t in a refcounting case?
There is _no_ difference in sense of overflows as a kref uses the same atomic_t.

I second David that we should use kref for overflow protection: we want to
hook an overflow case somehow in cases atomic_t is used as a refcounter.  It is
_ideally_ handled by introducing atomic_t's subtype.  And this subtype already
exists - it is called kref.


I expect all atomic_t refcounters users have

	if (atomic_dec_and_test()) smth_put() 

pattern, otherwise it is not a true refcounter :)  It should be straightforward to
move to kref.


Moving to atomic64_t is attractive, but:

1) we still should find all atomic_t refcounters.  Why not move to kref then?

2) what to do with architectures-loosers?


Thanks,

-- 
Vasiliy Kulikov
http://www.openwall.com - bringing security into open computing environments

  reply	other threads:[~2012-02-17 19:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <CAEXv5_gkTsPHDFh+wQqD3P3D-Z+uCN-_1bVyHfHV=u7bS-tgeA@mail.gmail.com>
2012-02-16 20:45 ` Add overflow protection to kref Kees Cook
2012-02-17  0:24   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2012-02-17  1:06     ` Kees Cook
2012-02-17  1:40       ` Greg KH
2012-02-17  2:11         ` [ubuntu-hardened] " Kees Cook
2012-02-17  2:48           ` David Windsor
2012-02-17  3:32             ` Greg KH
2012-02-17  6:33             ` Alexey Dobriyan
2012-02-17 13:23         ` pageexec
2012-02-17  7:59     ` [kernel-hardening] " Vasiliy Kulikov
2012-02-17 17:53       ` Greg KH
2012-02-17 17:54       ` Greg KH
2012-02-17 19:37         ` Vasiliy Kulikov [this message]
2012-02-17 23:39           ` Djalal Harouni
2012-02-18  1:44             ` Roland Dreier
2012-02-18 16:15               ` David Windsor
2012-02-18 16:35                 ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2012-02-18 16:18               ` Greg KH
2012-02-24 17:58                 ` David Windsor
2012-02-24 18:37                   ` Greg KH
2012-02-24 18:52                     ` Kees Cook
2012-02-24 19:05                       ` Nick Bowler
2012-02-24 19:13                         ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2012-02-24 19:35                           ` Nick Bowler
2012-02-24 21:59                           ` PaX Team
2012-02-24 18:58                     ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2012-02-24 19:41                       ` Greg KH
2012-02-24 20:04                         ` Kees Cook
2012-02-24 19:04                     ` David Windsor
2012-02-24 22:14                       ` PaX Team

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