From: Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
To: Roland Dreier <roland@purestorage.com>
Cc: Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@opendz.org>,
Vasiliy Kulikov <segoon@openwall.com>,
kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com,
Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
Ubuntu security discussion <ubuntu-hardened@lists.ubuntu.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, David Windsor <dwindsor@gmail.com>,
pageexec@freemail.hu, spender@grsecurity.net
Subject: Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: Add overflow protection to kref
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 08:18:49 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120218161849.GA4176@kroah.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAL1RGDWM0C26YR+GGbguRQd0R3HoPJ5QVyEFkLGFfPqs6wb5Mg@mail.gmail.com>
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 05:44:57PM -0800, Roland Dreier wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@opendz.org> wrote:
> >> 2) what to do with architectures-loosers?
> > There is lib/atomic64.c but with a static hashed array of raw_spinlocks.
>
> Even leaving aside performance impact of atomic64_t (and probably
> in most cases the performance of kref is not important at all), it is
> unfortunate to bloat the size from 4 bytes to 8 bytes.
>
> It seems much better to have some out-of-line code for overflow
> checking rather than increasing the size of every data structure
> that embeds a kref.
Please realize that kref is an in-line structure now.
> Greg, I'm not sure why you're opposed to adding this checking...
> it's pretty clear that buggy error paths that forget to do a put are
> pretty common and will continue to be common in new code, and
> making them harder to exploit seems pretty sane to me.
>
> What's the downside?
The downside is that there has not even been a patch sent for any of
this. Combine that with a lack of understanding about reference
counting and atomic_t usages in the kernel, and the whole thing is ripe
for misunderstanding and confusion.
greg k-h
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-02-18 16:24 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
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2012-02-16 20:45 ` Add overflow protection to kref Kees Cook
2012-02-17 0:24 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2012-02-17 1:06 ` Kees Cook
2012-02-17 1:40 ` Greg KH
2012-02-17 2:11 ` [ubuntu-hardened] " Kees Cook
2012-02-17 2:48 ` David Windsor
2012-02-17 3:32 ` Greg KH
2012-02-17 6:33 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2012-02-17 13:23 ` pageexec
2012-02-17 7:59 ` [kernel-hardening] " Vasiliy Kulikov
2012-02-17 17:53 ` Greg KH
2012-02-17 17:54 ` Greg KH
2012-02-17 19:37 ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2012-02-17 23:39 ` Djalal Harouni
2012-02-18 1:44 ` Roland Dreier
2012-02-18 16:15 ` David Windsor
2012-02-18 16:35 ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2012-02-18 16:18 ` Greg KH [this message]
2012-02-24 17:58 ` David Windsor
2012-02-24 18:37 ` Greg KH
2012-02-24 18:52 ` Kees Cook
2012-02-24 19:05 ` Nick Bowler
2012-02-24 19:13 ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2012-02-24 19:35 ` Nick Bowler
2012-02-24 21:59 ` PaX Team
2012-02-24 18:58 ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2012-02-24 19:41 ` Greg KH
2012-02-24 20:04 ` Kees Cook
2012-02-24 19:04 ` David Windsor
2012-02-24 22:14 ` PaX Team
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