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From: Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
To: Roland Dreier <roland@purestorage.com>
Cc: Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@opendz.org>,
	Vasiliy Kulikov <segoon@openwall.com>,
	kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Ubuntu security discussion <ubuntu-hardened@lists.ubuntu.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, David Windsor <dwindsor@gmail.com>,
	pageexec@freemail.hu, spender@grsecurity.net
Subject: Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: Add overflow protection to kref
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 08:18:49 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120218161849.GA4176@kroah.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAL1RGDWM0C26YR+GGbguRQd0R3HoPJ5QVyEFkLGFfPqs6wb5Mg@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 05:44:57PM -0800, Roland Dreier wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@opendz.org> wrote:
> >> 2) what to do with architectures-loosers?
> > There is lib/atomic64.c but with a static hashed array of raw_spinlocks.
> 
> Even leaving aside performance impact of atomic64_t (and probably
> in most cases the performance of kref is not important at all), it is
> unfortunate to bloat the size from 4 bytes to 8 bytes.
> 
> It seems much better to have some out-of-line code for overflow
> checking rather than increasing the size of every data structure
> that embeds a kref.

Please realize that kref is an in-line structure now.

> Greg, I'm not sure why you're opposed to adding this checking...
> it's pretty clear that buggy error paths that forget to do a put are
> pretty common and will continue to be common in new code, and
> making them harder to exploit seems pretty sane to me.
> 
> What's the downside?

The downside is that there has not even been a patch sent for any of
this.  Combine that with a lack of understanding about reference
counting and atomic_t usages in the kernel, and the whole thing is ripe
for misunderstanding and confusion.

greg k-h

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-02-18 16:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2012-02-16 20:45 ` Add overflow protection to kref Kees Cook
2012-02-17  0:24   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2012-02-17  1:06     ` Kees Cook
2012-02-17  1:40       ` Greg KH
2012-02-17  2:11         ` [ubuntu-hardened] " Kees Cook
2012-02-17  2:48           ` David Windsor
2012-02-17  3:32             ` Greg KH
2012-02-17  6:33             ` Alexey Dobriyan
2012-02-17 13:23         ` pageexec
2012-02-17  7:59     ` [kernel-hardening] " Vasiliy Kulikov
2012-02-17 17:53       ` Greg KH
2012-02-17 17:54       ` Greg KH
2012-02-17 19:37         ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2012-02-17 23:39           ` Djalal Harouni
2012-02-18  1:44             ` Roland Dreier
2012-02-18 16:15               ` David Windsor
2012-02-18 16:35                 ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2012-02-18 16:18               ` Greg KH [this message]
2012-02-24 17:58                 ` David Windsor
2012-02-24 18:37                   ` Greg KH
2012-02-24 18:52                     ` Kees Cook
2012-02-24 19:05                       ` Nick Bowler
2012-02-24 19:13                         ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2012-02-24 19:35                           ` Nick Bowler
2012-02-24 21:59                           ` PaX Team
2012-02-24 18:58                     ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2012-02-24 19:41                       ` Greg KH
2012-02-24 20:04                         ` Kees Cook
2012-02-24 19:04                     ` David Windsor
2012-02-24 22:14                       ` PaX Team

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