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From: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Jason Baron <jbaron@redhat.com>,
	a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl, mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com,
	davem@davemloft.net, ddaney.cavm@gmail.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/10] jump label: introduce very_[un]likely + cleanups + docs
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 08:33:44 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120222213343.GA19758@bloggs.ozlabs.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120222081855.GB25318@elte.hu>

On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 09:18:55AM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:

> The problem with static_branch_def_false/def_true was that the 
> very intuitively visible bias that we see with 
> likely()/unlikely() is confused in jump label constructs through 
> two layers of modifiers. And the fix is so easy, a simple rename 
> in most cases ;-)
> 
> So instead of that, in this series we have:
> 
> +       if (very_unlikely(&perf_sched_events.key))
> 
> which is a heck of an improvement IMO. I'd still up its 
> readability a notch, by also signalling the overhead of the 
> update path by making it:
> 
> +       if (very_unlikely(&perf_sched_events.slow_flag))
> 
> ... but I don't want to be that much of a readability nazi ;-)

I have to say I don't like the "very_unlikely" name.  It's confusing
because the condition being evaluated appears to be the address of
something, i.e. &perf_sched_events.key in your example, and that looks
to me to be very very likely to be true, i.e. non-zero.  But the code
is telling me that's very *un*likely, which is confusing.

In other words I can't think about "very_unlikely" as being similar to
"unlikely".  Clearly very_unlikely isn't just passing through the
true/falseness of its argument to the surrounding if, the way that
unlikely does; it (very_unlikely) is a real function that is doing
something more complicated with its argument -- dereferencing it,
conceptually at least, for a start.

Just from a readability perspective, I like the static_branch name,
and if we want to add information about the execution bias, I'd
suggest we do:

	if (likely(static_branch(&x))) ...

	if (unlikely(static_branch(&x))) ...

if that can be made to work, or else have variants like this:

   	if (likely_static_branch(&x)) ...

	if (unlikely_static_branch(&x)) ...

Paul.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-02-22 21:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-02-21 20:02 [PATCH 00/10] jump label: introduce very_[un]likely + cleanups + docs Jason Baron
2012-02-21 20:02 ` [PATCH 01/10] jump label: Add a WARN() if jump label key count goes negative Jason Baron
2012-02-29 10:13   ` [tip:perf/core] " tip-bot for Jason Baron
2012-02-21 20:02 ` [PATCH 02/10] jump label: fix compiler warning Jason Baron
2012-02-29 10:14   ` [tip:perf/core] jump label: Fix " tip-bot for Jason Baron
2012-02-21 20:03 ` [PATCH 03/10] jump label: introduce very_unlikely() Jason Baron
2012-02-21 20:03 ` [PATCH 04/10] jump label: introduce very_likely() Jason Baron
2012-02-21 20:03 ` [PATCH 05/10] perf: update to use 'very_unlikely()' Jason Baron
2012-02-21 20:03 ` [PATCH 06/10] tracepoints: update to use very_unlikely() Jason Baron
2012-02-21 20:03 ` [PATCH 07/10] sched: update to use very_[un]likely() Jason Baron
2012-02-21 20:03 ` [PATCH 08/10] kvm: update to use very_unlikely() Jason Baron
2012-02-21 20:03 ` [PATCH 09/10] net: " Jason Baron
2012-02-21 20:03 ` [PATCH 10/10] jump label: Add docs better explaining the whole jump label mechanism Jason Baron
2012-02-29 10:15   ` [tip:perf/core] static keys: Add docs better explaining the whole 'struct static_key' mechanism tip-bot for Jason Baron
2012-02-21 20:09 ` [PATCH 00/10] jump label: introduce very_[un]likely + cleanups + docs H. Peter Anvin
2012-02-21 20:20   ` Jason Baron
2012-02-21 20:39     ` Steven Rostedt
2012-02-21 21:10       ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-02-21 21:16         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2012-02-21 21:11       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2012-02-22  7:32       ` Ingo Molnar
2012-02-22  7:53         ` Ingo Molnar
2012-02-22  8:01           ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-02-22  8:18             ` Ingo Molnar
2012-02-22  8:58               ` [PATCH] static keys: Introduce 'struct static_key', very_[un]likely(), static_key_slow_[inc|dec]() Ingo Molnar
2012-02-29 10:16                 ` [tip:perf/core] static keys: Introduce 'struct static_key', static_key_true()/false() and static_key_slow_[inc|dec]() tip-bot for Ingo Molnar
2012-02-22  9:03               ` [PATCH] jump labels: Explain the .config option better Ingo Molnar
2012-02-22 15:08               ` [PATCH 00/10] jump label: introduce very_[un]likely + cleanups + docs H. Peter Anvin
2012-02-22 15:51                 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-02-22 21:33               ` Paul Mackerras [this message]
2012-02-23 10:02                 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-02-23 16:21                   ` Jason Baron
2012-02-23 17:10                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-02-24  9:11                     ` Ingo Molnar
2012-02-23 17:18                   ` Linus Torvalds
2012-02-23 22:33                     ` Ingo Molnar
2012-02-23 22:39                       ` Ingo Molnar
2012-02-23 22:44                         ` Steven Rostedt
2012-02-23 23:18                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2012-02-24  2:25                           ` Jason Baron
2012-02-24  9:08                             ` Ingo Molnar
2012-02-24 15:35                               ` Jason Baron
2012-02-27  7:40                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-02-24 15:51                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2012-02-24 16:06                               ` Steven Rostedt
2012-02-24  7:52                         ` static keys: Introduce 'struct static_key', static_key_true()/false() and static_key_slow_[inc|dec]() Ingo Molnar
2012-02-24  7:59                           ` [PATCH] " Ingo Molnar
2012-02-24  7:54                         ` [PATCH] static keys: Add docs better explaining the whole 'struct static_key' mechanism Ingo Molnar
2012-02-23 22:45                       ` [PATCH 00/10] jump label: introduce very_[un]likely + cleanups + docs Linus Torvalds
2012-02-24  8:04                         ` Ingo Molnar
2012-02-24  2:42                       ` Jason Baron
2012-02-21 20:21   ` Steven Rostedt
2012-02-21 21:11     ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-02-22  6:50   ` Ingo Molnar
2012-02-22  7:03     ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-02-22  7:25       ` Ingo Molnar
2012-02-22  7:35         ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-02-22  7:48           ` Ingo Molnar
2012-02-22  7:55             ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-02-22  8:06               ` Ingo Molnar
2012-02-22 13:22                 ` Steven Rostedt
2012-02-22 13:34                   ` Ingo Molnar
2012-02-22 13:54                     ` Steven Rostedt
2012-02-22 14:20                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2012-02-22 14:36                         ` Steven Rostedt
2012-02-22 14:56                       ` Ingo Molnar
2012-02-22 15:11                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-02-22 15:11                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-22 15:47                           ` Ingo Molnar
2012-02-22 15:12                         ` Steven Rostedt
2012-02-22 15:15                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-02-22 15:19                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-02-22 15:42                           ` Jason Baron
2012-02-22 15:54                             ` Steven Rostedt
2012-02-22 15:56                               ` Jason Baron
2012-02-22 16:08                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2012-02-22 15:19                         ` Jason Baron
2012-02-22 15:40                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-02-22 15:13                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-22 15:32                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-22 17:14                           ` Richard Henderson
2012-02-22 18:28                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-02-22 18:58                             ` Jason Baron
2012-02-22 19:10                               ` H. Peter Anvin

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