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From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
To: "Srivatsa S. Bhat" <srivatsa.bhat@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: "John Stultz" <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
	"Linux PM list" <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Magnus Damm" <magnus.damm@gmail.com>,
	markgross@thegnar.org, "Matthew Garrett" <mjg@redhat.com>,
	"Greg KH" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Arve Hjønnevåg" <arve@android.com>,
	"Brian Swetland" <swetland@google.com>,
	"Neil Brown" <neilb@suse.de>,
	"Alan Stern" <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	"Dmitry Torokhov" <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/7] PM: Implement autosleep and "wake locks", take2
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 00:21:36 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201202250021.36738.rjw@sisk.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4F4715A7.2030401@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

On Friday, February 24, 2012, Srivatsa S. Bhat wrote:
> On 02/24/2012 03:02 AM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> 
> > On Thursday, February 23, 2012, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> >> On Thursday, February 23, 2012, Srivatsa S. Bhat wrote:
> >>> On 02/23/2012 03:40 AM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
[...]
> >>>
> >>> By the way, I am just curious.. how difficult will this make it for userspace
> >>> to disable autosleep? I mean, would a trylock mean that the user has to keep
> >>> fighting until he finally gets a chance to disable autosleep?
> >>
> >> That's a good point, so I think it may be a good idea to do
> >> mutex_lock_interruptible() in pm_autosleep_set_state() instead.
> > 
> > Now that I think of it, perhaps it's a good idea to just make
> > pm_autosleep_lock() do mutex_lock_interruptible() _and_ make
> > pm_autosleep_set_state() use pm_autosleep_lock().
> > 
> > What do you think?
> > 
> 
> 
> Well, I don't think mutex_lock_interruptible() would help us much..
> Consider what would happen, if we use it:
> 
> * pm-suspend got initiated as part of autosleep. Acquired autosleep lock.
> * Userspace is about to get frozen.
> * Now, the user tries to write "off" to autosleep. And hence, he is waiting
>   for autosleep lock, interruptibly.
> * The freezer sent a fake signal to all userspace processes and hence
>   this process also got interrupted.. it is no longer waiting on autosleep
>   lock - it got the signal and returned, and got frozen.
>   (And when the userspace gets thawed later, this process won't have the
>    autosleep lock - which is a different (but yet another) problem).
> 
> So ultimately the only thing we achieved is to ensure that freezing of
> userspace goes smoothly. But the user process could not succeed in
> disabling autosleep. Of course we can work around that by having the
> mutex_lock_interruptible() in a loop and so on, but that gets very
> ugly pretty soon.
> 
> So, I would suggest the following solution:
> 
> We want to achieve 2 things here:
>  a. A user process trying to write to /sys/power/state or
>     /sys/power/autosleep should not cause freezing failures.
>  b. When a user process writes "off" to autosleep, the suspend/hibernate
>     attempt that is on-going, if any, must be immediately aborted, to give
>     the user the feeling that his preference has been noticed and respected.
> 
> And to achieve this, we note that a user process can write "off" to autosleep
> only until the userspace gets frozen. No chance after that.
> 
> So, let's do this:
> 1. Drop the autosleep lock before entering pm-suspend/hibernate.
> 2. This means, a user process can get hold of this lock and successfully
>    disable autosleep a moment after we initiated suspend, but before userspace
>    got frozen fully.
> 3. So, to respect the user's wish, we add a check immediately after the
>    freezing of userspace is complete - we check if the user disabled autosleep
>    and bail out, if he did. Otherwise, we continue and suspend the machine.
> 
> IOW, this is like hitting 2 birds with one stone ;-)
> We don't hold autosleep lock throughout suspend/hibernate, but still react
> instantly when the user disables autosleep. And of course, freezing of tasks
> won't fail, ever! :-)

Well, you essentially are postulating to restore the "interface" wakeup source
that was present in the previous version of this patch and that I dropped in
order to simplify the code.

I guess I can do that ...

Thanks,
Rafael

  reply	other threads:[~2012-02-24 23:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 129+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-02-07  1:00 [RFC][PATCH 0/8] PM: Implement autosleep and "wake locks" Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07  1:01 ` [PATCH 1/8] PM / Sleep: Initialize wakeup source locks in wakeup_source_add() Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07 22:29   ` John Stultz
2012-02-07 22:41     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07  1:03 ` [PATCH 2/8] PM / Sleep: Do not check wakeup too often in try_to_freeze_tasks() Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07  1:03 ` [PATCH 3/8] PM / Sleep: Look for wakeup events in later stages of device suspend Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07  1:04 ` [PATCH 4/8] PM / Sleep: Use wait queue to signal "no wakeup events in progress" Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-08 23:10   ` NeilBrown
2012-02-09  0:05     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-12  1:27   ` mark gross
2012-02-07  1:05 ` [RFC][PATCH 5/8] PM / Sleep: Change wakeup statistics Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-15  6:15   ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-15 22:37     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-17  2:11       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-07  1:06 ` [RFC][PATCH 6/8] PM / Sleep: Implement opportunistic sleep Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07 22:49   ` [Update][RFC][PATCH " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07  1:06 ` [RFC][PATCH 7/8] PM / Sleep: Add "prevent autosleep time" statistics to wakeup sources Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07  1:07 ` [RFC][PATCH 8/8] PM / Sleep: Add user space interface for manipulating " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07  1:13 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/8] PM: Implement autosleep and "wake locks" Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-08 23:57 ` NeilBrown
2012-02-10  0:44   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-12  2:05     ` mark gross
2012-02-12 21:32       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-14  0:11         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-15 15:28           ` mark gross
2012-02-12  1:54   ` mark gross
2012-02-12  1:19 ` mark gross
2012-02-14  2:07 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-14 23:22   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-15  5:57     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-15 23:07       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-16 22:22         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-17  3:56           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-17 23:02             ` [PATCH] PM / Sleep: Add more wakeup source initialization routines Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-18 23:50               ` [Update][PATCH] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-20 23:04                 ` [Update 2x][PATCH] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-17  3:55         ` [RFC][PATCH 0/8] PM: Implement autosleep and "wake locks" Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-17 20:57           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-21 23:31 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/7] PM: Implement autosleep and "wake locks", take 2 Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-21 23:32   ` [RFC][PATCH 1/7] PM / Sleep: Look for wakeup events in later stages of device suspend Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-21 23:33   ` [RFC][PATCH 2/7] PM / Sleep: Use wait queue to signal "no wakeup events in progress" Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-21 23:34   ` [RFC][PATCH 3/7] PM / Sleep: Change wakeup source statistics to follow Android Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-21 23:34   ` [RFC][PATCH 4/7] Input / PM: Add ioctl to block suspend while event queue is not empty Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-24  5:16     ` Matt Helsley
2012-02-25  4:25       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-25 23:33         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-28  0:19         ` Matt Helsley
2012-02-26 20:57       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-27 22:18         ` Matt Helsley
2012-02-28  1:17           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-28  5:58         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-03-04 22:56           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-06  1:04             ` [PATCH 1/2] epoll: Add a flag, EPOLLWAKEUP, to prevent suspend while epoll events are ready Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-03-06  1:04               ` [PATCH 2/2] PM / Sleep: Add wakeup_source_activate and wakeup_source_deactivate tracepoints Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-21 23:35   ` [RFC][PATCH 5/7] PM / Sleep: Implement opportunistic sleep Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-22  8:45     ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-02-22 22:10       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-23  5:35         ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-02-21 23:36   ` [RFC][PATCH 6/7] PM / Sleep: Add "prevent autosleep time" statistics to wakeup sources Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-21 23:37   ` [RFC][PATCH 7/7] PM / Sleep: Add user space interface for manipulating " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-22  4:49   ` [RFC][PATCH 0/7] PM: Implement autosleep and "wake locks", take 2 John Stultz
2012-02-22  8:44     ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-02-22 22:10       ` [RFC][PATCH 0/7] PM: Implement autosleep and "wake locks", take2 Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-23  6:25         ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-02-23 21:26           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-23 21:32             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-24  4:44               ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-02-24 23:21                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki [this message]
2012-02-25  4:43                   ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-25 20:43                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-25 19:20                   ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-02-25 21:01                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-28 10:24                       ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-04-22 21:19   ` [RFC][PATCH 0/8] PM: Implement autosleep and "wake locks", take 3 Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-22 21:19     ` [PATCH 1/8] PM / Sleep: Look for wakeup events in later stages of device suspend Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-22 21:20     ` [PATCH 2/8] PM / Sleep: Use wait queue to signal "no wakeup events in progress" Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-23  4:01       ` mark gross
2012-04-22 21:21     ` [PATCH 3/8] PM / Sleep: Change wakeup source statistics to follow Android Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-22 21:21     ` [PATCH 4/8] PM / Sleep: Add wakeup_source_activate and wakeup_source_deactivate tracepoints Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-22 21:22     ` [RFC][PATCH 5/8] epoll: Add a flag, EPOLLWAKEUP, to prevent suspend while epoll events are ready Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-26  4:03       ` NeilBrown
2012-04-26 20:40         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-27  3:49           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-04-27 21:18             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-27 23:26               ` [PATCH] " Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-04-30  1:58             ` [RFC][PATCH 5/8] " NeilBrown
2012-05-01  0:52               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-05-01  2:18                 ` NeilBrown
2012-05-01  5:33                 ` [PATCH] " Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-05-01  6:28                   ` NeilBrown
2012-05-01 13:51                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-07-16  6:38                   ` Michael Kerrisk
2012-07-16 11:00                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-07-16 22:04                       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-07-17  5:14                         ` Michael Kerrisk
2012-07-17 19:22                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-07-17 19:36                             ` Greg KH
2012-07-17 19:55                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-07-18  6:41                             ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2012-04-22 21:23     ` [RFC][PATCH 6/8] PM / Sleep: Implement opportunistic sleep Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-26  3:05       ` NeilBrown
2012-04-26 21:52         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-27  0:39           ` NeilBrown
2012-04-27 21:22             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-03  0:23           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-05-03 13:28             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-03 21:27               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-05-03 22:20                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-03 22:16                   ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-05-03 22:24                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-22 21:24     ` [RFC][PATCH 7/8] PM / Sleep: Add "prevent autosleep time" statistics to wakeup sources Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-22 21:24     ` [RFC][PATCH 8/8] PM / Sleep: Add user space interface for manipulating " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-24  1:35       ` John Stultz
2012-04-24 21:27         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-26  6:31           ` NeilBrown
2012-04-26 22:04             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-27  0:07               ` NeilBrown
2012-04-27 21:15                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-27  3:57               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-04-27 21:14                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-27 21:17                   ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-04-27 21:34                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-03 19:29                       ` [PATCH 0/2]: Kconfig options for wakelocks limit and gc (was: Re: [RFC][PATCH 8/8] PM / Sleep: Add user space ...) Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-03 19:30                         ` [PATCH 1/2] PM / Sleep: Make the limit of user space wakeup sources configurable Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-03 19:34                         ` [PATCH 2/2] PM / Sleep: User space wakeup sources garbage collector Kconfig option Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-03 22:14                         ` [PATCH 0/2]: Kconfig options for wakelocks limit and gc (was: Re: [RFC][PATCH 8/8] PM / Sleep: Add user space ...) Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-05-03 22:20                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-23 16:49     ` [RFC][PATCH 0/8] PM: Implement autosleep and "wake locks", take 3 Greg KH
2012-04-23 19:51       ` Rafael J. Wysocki

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