From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
To: "Srivatsa S. Bhat" <srivatsa.bhat@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: "John Stultz" <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
"Linux PM list" <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"Magnus Damm" <magnus.damm@gmail.com>,
markgross@thegnar.org, "Matthew Garrett" <mjg@redhat.com>,
"Greg KH" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
"Arve Hjønnevåg" <arve@android.com>,
"Brian Swetland" <swetland@google.com>,
"Neil Brown" <neilb@suse.de>,
"Alan Stern" <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
"Dmitry Torokhov" <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/7] PM: Implement autosleep and "wake locks", take2
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 00:21:36 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <201202250021.36738.rjw@sisk.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4F4715A7.2030401@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
On Friday, February 24, 2012, Srivatsa S. Bhat wrote:
> On 02/24/2012 03:02 AM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, February 23, 2012, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> >> On Thursday, February 23, 2012, Srivatsa S. Bhat wrote:
> >>> On 02/23/2012 03:40 AM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
[...]
> >>>
> >>> By the way, I am just curious.. how difficult will this make it for userspace
> >>> to disable autosleep? I mean, would a trylock mean that the user has to keep
> >>> fighting until he finally gets a chance to disable autosleep?
> >>
> >> That's a good point, so I think it may be a good idea to do
> >> mutex_lock_interruptible() in pm_autosleep_set_state() instead.
> >
> > Now that I think of it, perhaps it's a good idea to just make
> > pm_autosleep_lock() do mutex_lock_interruptible() _and_ make
> > pm_autosleep_set_state() use pm_autosleep_lock().
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
>
>
> Well, I don't think mutex_lock_interruptible() would help us much..
> Consider what would happen, if we use it:
>
> * pm-suspend got initiated as part of autosleep. Acquired autosleep lock.
> * Userspace is about to get frozen.
> * Now, the user tries to write "off" to autosleep. And hence, he is waiting
> for autosleep lock, interruptibly.
> * The freezer sent a fake signal to all userspace processes and hence
> this process also got interrupted.. it is no longer waiting on autosleep
> lock - it got the signal and returned, and got frozen.
> (And when the userspace gets thawed later, this process won't have the
> autosleep lock - which is a different (but yet another) problem).
>
> So ultimately the only thing we achieved is to ensure that freezing of
> userspace goes smoothly. But the user process could not succeed in
> disabling autosleep. Of course we can work around that by having the
> mutex_lock_interruptible() in a loop and so on, but that gets very
> ugly pretty soon.
>
> So, I would suggest the following solution:
>
> We want to achieve 2 things here:
> a. A user process trying to write to /sys/power/state or
> /sys/power/autosleep should not cause freezing failures.
> b. When a user process writes "off" to autosleep, the suspend/hibernate
> attempt that is on-going, if any, must be immediately aborted, to give
> the user the feeling that his preference has been noticed and respected.
>
> And to achieve this, we note that a user process can write "off" to autosleep
> only until the userspace gets frozen. No chance after that.
>
> So, let's do this:
> 1. Drop the autosleep lock before entering pm-suspend/hibernate.
> 2. This means, a user process can get hold of this lock and successfully
> disable autosleep a moment after we initiated suspend, but before userspace
> got frozen fully.
> 3. So, to respect the user's wish, we add a check immediately after the
> freezing of userspace is complete - we check if the user disabled autosleep
> and bail out, if he did. Otherwise, we continue and suspend the machine.
>
> IOW, this is like hitting 2 birds with one stone ;-)
> We don't hold autosleep lock throughout suspend/hibernate, but still react
> instantly when the user disables autosleep. And of course, freezing of tasks
> won't fail, ever! :-)
Well, you essentially are postulating to restore the "interface" wakeup source
that was present in the previous version of this patch and that I dropped in
order to simplify the code.
I guess I can do that ...
Thanks,
Rafael
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-02-24 23:17 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 129+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-02-07 1:00 [RFC][PATCH 0/8] PM: Implement autosleep and "wake locks" Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07 1:01 ` [PATCH 1/8] PM / Sleep: Initialize wakeup source locks in wakeup_source_add() Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07 22:29 ` John Stultz
2012-02-07 22:41 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07 1:03 ` [PATCH 2/8] PM / Sleep: Do not check wakeup too often in try_to_freeze_tasks() Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07 1:03 ` [PATCH 3/8] PM / Sleep: Look for wakeup events in later stages of device suspend Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07 1:04 ` [PATCH 4/8] PM / Sleep: Use wait queue to signal "no wakeup events in progress" Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-08 23:10 ` NeilBrown
2012-02-09 0:05 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-12 1:27 ` mark gross
2012-02-07 1:05 ` [RFC][PATCH 5/8] PM / Sleep: Change wakeup statistics Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-15 6:15 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-15 22:37 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-17 2:11 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-07 1:06 ` [RFC][PATCH 6/8] PM / Sleep: Implement opportunistic sleep Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07 22:49 ` [Update][RFC][PATCH " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07 1:06 ` [RFC][PATCH 7/8] PM / Sleep: Add "prevent autosleep time" statistics to wakeup sources Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07 1:07 ` [RFC][PATCH 8/8] PM / Sleep: Add user space interface for manipulating " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07 1:13 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/8] PM: Implement autosleep and "wake locks" Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-08 23:57 ` NeilBrown
2012-02-10 0:44 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-12 2:05 ` mark gross
2012-02-12 21:32 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-14 0:11 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-15 15:28 ` mark gross
2012-02-12 1:54 ` mark gross
2012-02-12 1:19 ` mark gross
2012-02-14 2:07 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-14 23:22 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-15 5:57 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-15 23:07 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-16 22:22 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-17 3:56 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-17 23:02 ` [PATCH] PM / Sleep: Add more wakeup source initialization routines Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-18 23:50 ` [Update][PATCH] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-20 23:04 ` [Update 2x][PATCH] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-17 3:55 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/8] PM: Implement autosleep and "wake locks" Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-17 20:57 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-21 23:31 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/7] PM: Implement autosleep and "wake locks", take 2 Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-21 23:32 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/7] PM / Sleep: Look for wakeup events in later stages of device suspend Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-21 23:33 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/7] PM / Sleep: Use wait queue to signal "no wakeup events in progress" Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-21 23:34 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/7] PM / Sleep: Change wakeup source statistics to follow Android Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-21 23:34 ` [RFC][PATCH 4/7] Input / PM: Add ioctl to block suspend while event queue is not empty Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-24 5:16 ` Matt Helsley
2012-02-25 4:25 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-25 23:33 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-28 0:19 ` Matt Helsley
2012-02-26 20:57 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-27 22:18 ` Matt Helsley
2012-02-28 1:17 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-28 5:58 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-03-04 22:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-06 1:04 ` [PATCH 1/2] epoll: Add a flag, EPOLLWAKEUP, to prevent suspend while epoll events are ready Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-03-06 1:04 ` [PATCH 2/2] PM / Sleep: Add wakeup_source_activate and wakeup_source_deactivate tracepoints Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-21 23:35 ` [RFC][PATCH 5/7] PM / Sleep: Implement opportunistic sleep Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-22 8:45 ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-02-22 22:10 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-23 5:35 ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-02-21 23:36 ` [RFC][PATCH 6/7] PM / Sleep: Add "prevent autosleep time" statistics to wakeup sources Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-21 23:37 ` [RFC][PATCH 7/7] PM / Sleep: Add user space interface for manipulating " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-22 4:49 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/7] PM: Implement autosleep and "wake locks", take 2 John Stultz
2012-02-22 8:44 ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-02-22 22:10 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/7] PM: Implement autosleep and "wake locks", take2 Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-23 6:25 ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-02-23 21:26 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-23 21:32 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-24 4:44 ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-02-24 23:21 ` Rafael J. Wysocki [this message]
2012-02-25 4:43 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-25 20:43 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-25 19:20 ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-02-25 21:01 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-28 10:24 ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-04-22 21:19 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/8] PM: Implement autosleep and "wake locks", take 3 Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-22 21:19 ` [PATCH 1/8] PM / Sleep: Look for wakeup events in later stages of device suspend Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-22 21:20 ` [PATCH 2/8] PM / Sleep: Use wait queue to signal "no wakeup events in progress" Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-23 4:01 ` mark gross
2012-04-22 21:21 ` [PATCH 3/8] PM / Sleep: Change wakeup source statistics to follow Android Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-22 21:21 ` [PATCH 4/8] PM / Sleep: Add wakeup_source_activate and wakeup_source_deactivate tracepoints Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-22 21:22 ` [RFC][PATCH 5/8] epoll: Add a flag, EPOLLWAKEUP, to prevent suspend while epoll events are ready Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-26 4:03 ` NeilBrown
2012-04-26 20:40 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-27 3:49 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-04-27 21:18 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-27 23:26 ` [PATCH] " Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-04-30 1:58 ` [RFC][PATCH 5/8] " NeilBrown
2012-05-01 0:52 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-05-01 2:18 ` NeilBrown
2012-05-01 5:33 ` [PATCH] " Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-05-01 6:28 ` NeilBrown
2012-05-01 13:51 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-07-16 6:38 ` Michael Kerrisk
2012-07-16 11:00 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-07-16 22:04 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-07-17 5:14 ` Michael Kerrisk
2012-07-17 19:22 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-07-17 19:36 ` Greg KH
2012-07-17 19:55 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-07-18 6:41 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2012-04-22 21:23 ` [RFC][PATCH 6/8] PM / Sleep: Implement opportunistic sleep Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-26 3:05 ` NeilBrown
2012-04-26 21:52 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-27 0:39 ` NeilBrown
2012-04-27 21:22 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-03 0:23 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-05-03 13:28 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-03 21:27 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-05-03 22:20 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-03 22:16 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-05-03 22:24 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-22 21:24 ` [RFC][PATCH 7/8] PM / Sleep: Add "prevent autosleep time" statistics to wakeup sources Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-22 21:24 ` [RFC][PATCH 8/8] PM / Sleep: Add user space interface for manipulating " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-24 1:35 ` John Stultz
2012-04-24 21:27 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-26 6:31 ` NeilBrown
2012-04-26 22:04 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-27 0:07 ` NeilBrown
2012-04-27 21:15 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-27 3:57 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-04-27 21:14 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-27 21:17 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-04-27 21:34 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-03 19:29 ` [PATCH 0/2]: Kconfig options for wakelocks limit and gc (was: Re: [RFC][PATCH 8/8] PM / Sleep: Add user space ...) Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-03 19:30 ` [PATCH 1/2] PM / Sleep: Make the limit of user space wakeup sources configurable Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-03 19:34 ` [PATCH 2/2] PM / Sleep: User space wakeup sources garbage collector Kconfig option Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-03 22:14 ` [PATCH 0/2]: Kconfig options for wakelocks limit and gc (was: Re: [RFC][PATCH 8/8] PM / Sleep: Add user space ...) Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-05-03 22:20 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-23 16:49 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/8] PM: Implement autosleep and "wake locks", take 3 Greg KH
2012-04-23 19:51 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
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