From: Peter Seebach <peter.seebach@windriver.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>,
Anton Blanchard <anton@samba.org>, <paulus@samba.org>,
<peterz@infradead.org>, <dsahern@gmail.com>, <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
<yanmin_zhang@linux.intel.com>, <emunson@mgebm.net>,
<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] perf: Incorrect use of snprintf results in SEGV
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 15:19:51 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120307151951.7e84adb6@wrlaptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120307203725.GA4333@elte.hu>
On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 21:37:25 +0100
Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu> wrote:
> You are missing two important aspects:
>
> 1) Dynamic reallocation on snprintf() failure is an utterly rare
> thing - it is used in less than 1% of snprintf() invocations.
> (Yes, I just checked a couple of codebases.)
I would agree that it's very rare. But then, using the return value at
all isn't especially common in my experience -- the only interesting
part, most of the time, is "we're sure this didn't overrun the buffer".
> We *DONT* want to make APIs more fragile just to accomodate a
> rare, esoteric usecase!
I would view snprintf as an API which already exists. If it's the
wrong API, by all means, write a different one -- but I would suggest
not using the same name for it. If a function is going to be called
snprintf, IMO it should have the semantics of snprintf. If those are
the wrong semantics (and they may well be), then I would say use a
function which has the right semantics, and isn't named snprintf.
> 2) It's not even true that should some code want to
> dynamically allocate the 'required' number of bytes is not
> available. Some oddball side API could be added for that 1%:
> size_needed = snprintf_size(...);
That's where the "can write one in terms of the other" argument comes
into play.
If you have snprintf_needed(), it's easy to write snprintf_written()
in terms of it. If you have only snprintf_written(), it is unreasonably
ugly and/or inefficient to write snprintf_needed() in terms of it.
> So this API could have been designed right but it was messed up
> out of concern for an insane 1% case - FAIL.
Well, the thing is. If there *exists* a reallocation case, those
semantics end up being needed.
I do agree that this is a source of errors in usage (and a quick audit
shows that I have at least one use which falls prey to this, as well as
several which check for it correctly). In practice, I'd guess that
treating probably-negative sizes as an error would likely resolve
things, although that's also a semantics change -- it's just that it's
a semantics change which only affects single snprintf calls that were
expected to write to half the address space.
-s
--
Listen, get this. Nobody with a good compiler needs to be justified.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-03-07 21:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-03-07 0:42 [PATCH] perf: Incorrect use of snprintf results in SEGV Anton Blanchard
2012-03-07 0:49 ` Peter Seebach
2012-03-07 1:09 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2012-03-07 1:29 ` Peter Seebach
2012-03-07 18:44 ` Nick Bowler
2012-03-07 20:24 ` Peter Seebach
2012-03-07 20:37 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-03-07 20:59 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-07 21:28 ` Peter Seebach
2012-03-08 7:34 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-03-08 8:51 ` Peter Seebach
2012-03-07 21:19 ` Peter Seebach [this message]
2012-03-08 0:58 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2012-03-08 7:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-03-08 7:52 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-03-09 19:00 ` Peter Seebach
2012-03-14 19:59 ` [tip:perf/urgent] perf tools: " tip-bot for Anton Blanchard
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