From: Heinz Diehl <htd@fancy-poultry.org>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] BFS CPU scheduler version 0.420 AKA "Smoking" for linux kernel 3.3.0
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 07:12:43 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120328051243.GA2138@fancy-poultry.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <57375.1332641134@turing-police.cc.vt.edu>
On 25.03.2012, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
> I'va always wondered what people are using to measure interactivity. Do we have
> some hard numbers from scheduler traces, or is it a "feels faster"?
I guess it's a "feels faster", because it's the only thing that
counts. Given that there is strong evidence that scheduler A is
"faster, more interactive", whatever... than scheduler B, but a
controlled trial shows a significantly better "feels faster"
experience using scheduler B, I'm quite shure that people would choose
scheduler B over A, and that's quite ok. It does what they expect it
to do, despite evidence which documents the opposite.
> And if it's a subjective thing, how are people avoiding confirmation bias (where you
> decide it feels faster because it's the new kernel and *should* feel faster)?
Confirmation bias is one thing, and it does exist. Surely. So it's up
to the user if it wants evidence, or if it's enough that it feels
faster. I guess that evidence doesn't really matter for the most of
the users as long as they have a positive experience.
> Anybody doing blinded boots, where a random kernel old/new is booted and the
> user grades the performance without knowing which one was actually running?
Hey, we could construct a randomized controlled trial on this :-)
> And yes, this can be a real issue - anybody who's been a aysadmin for
> a while will have at least one story of scheduling an upgrade, scratching it
> at the last minute, and then having users complain about how the upgrade
> ruined performance and introduced bugs...
Yep. They who have to do "real work" will rather base it on evidence
than trust their own feelings.
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Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-03-24 9:39 [ANNOUNCE] BFS CPU scheduler version 0.420 AKA "Smoking" for linux kernel 3.3.0 Con Kolivas
2012-03-24 9:53 ` Gene Heskett
2012-03-24 10:00 ` Con Kolivas
2012-03-25 2:05 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2012-03-25 2:33 ` Con Kolivas
2012-03-25 13:37 ` Mike Galbraith
2012-03-26 22:30 ` Con Kolivas
2012-03-27 5:13 ` Mike Galbraith
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[not found] ` <SNT112-W24CBD78928F4DD6AFDA564A14A0@phx.gbl>
2012-03-28 3:48 ` Mike Galbraith
2012-03-28 5:12 ` Heinz Diehl [this message]
2012-03-28 12:39 ` Nikos Chantziaras
2012-03-28 13:53 ` Heinz Diehl
2012-03-28 15:28 ` Nikos Chantziaras
2012-03-28 16:44 ` Mike Galbraith
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2012-03-27 20:17 Mike Blue
2012-03-27 20:45 ` Pekka Enberg
2012-03-27 20:52 Micheal Blue
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2012-03-28 19:39 ` Martin Rogge
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