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From: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
To: Glauber Costa <glommer@parallels.com>
Cc: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, Daniel Walsh <dwalsh@redhat.com>,
	"Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	Li Zefan <lizf@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Cgroups <cgroups@vger.kernel.org>,
	Containers <containers@lists.linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [RFD] Merge task counter into memcg
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 18:59:27 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120412165922.GA12484@somewhere.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4F87042A.2000902@parallels.com>

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 01:34:50PM -0300, Glauber Costa wrote:
> On 04/12/2012 11:55 AM, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> >I don't know how the kernel stack is allocated for tasks. Do you mean
> >that we allocate a chunck of it for each new task and we could rely
> >on that?
> >
> More than this: amount of kernel stack is really, really something
> indirect if what you want to track is # of processes. Now, Hannes
> made a fair point in his other e-mail about what is a resource and
> what is not.

I start to consider this option, are there other people interested
in accounting/limiting kernel stack as well?

> 
> >>>  After all, we would only restrict the number of tasks for the
> >>>  resources they require
> >It depends if the kernel stack can have other kind of "consumer".
> >
> It also depends on what you really want to achieve.
> If you want to prevent fork bombs, limiting kernel stack will do just fine.

I want:

a) to prevent the forkbomb from going far enough to DDOS the machine
b) to be able to kill that forkbomb once detected, in one go without race
against concurrent forks.

I think a) can work just fine with kernel stack limiting. I also need
to be notified about the fact we reached the limit. And b) should
be feasible with the help of the cgroup freezer. 

> 
> Is there anything for which you need to know exactly the number of
> processes?

No that's really about prevent/kill forkbomb as far as I'm concerned.

  reply	other threads:[~2012-04-12 16:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-04-11 18:57 [RFD] Merge task counter into memcg Frederic Weisbecker
2012-04-11 19:21 ` Glauber Costa
2012-04-12 11:19   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-04-12  0:56 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2012-04-12 11:32   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-04-12 11:43     ` Glauber Costa
2012-04-12 12:32       ` Johannes Weiner
2012-04-12 13:12         ` Glauber Costa
2012-04-12 15:30           ` Johannes Weiner
2012-04-12 16:38             ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-12 17:04               ` Cgroup in a single hierarchy (Was: Re: [RFD] Merge task counter into memcg) Glauber Costa
2012-04-17 15:13                 ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-17 15:27                   ` Glauber Costa
2012-04-12 17:13               ` [RFD] Merge task counter into memcg Glauber Costa
2012-04-12 17:23               ` Johannes Weiner
2012-04-12 17:41                 ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-12 17:53                   ` Glauber Costa
2012-04-13  1:42                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2012-04-13  1:50                     ` Glauber Costa
2012-04-13  2:48                       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2012-04-17 15:41                     ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-17 16:52                       ` Glauber Costa
2012-04-18  6:51                         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2012-04-18  7:53                           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-04-18  8:42                             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2012-04-18  9:12                               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-04-18 10:39                               ` Johannes Weiner
2012-04-18 11:00                                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2012-04-12 16:54             ` Glauber Costa
2012-04-12  1:07 ` Johannes Weiner
2012-04-12  2:15   ` Glauber Costa
2012-04-12  3:26   ` Li Zefan
2012-04-12 14:55   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-04-12 16:34     ` Glauber Costa
2012-04-12 16:59       ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2012-04-17 15:17         ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-18  6:54           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-04-18  8:10             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-04-18 12:00               ` Glauber Costa
2012-04-12  4:00 ` Alexander Nikiforov
     [not found] ` <4F86527C.2080507@samsung.com>
2012-04-17  1:09   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-04-17  6:45     ` Alexander Nikiforov
2012-04-17 15:23       ` Tejun Heo
2012-04-19  3:34         ` Alexander Nikiforov

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