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From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
To: NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de>, "Arve Hjønnevåg" <arve@android.com>
Cc: Linux PM list <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Magnus Damm <magnus.damm@gmail.com>,
	markgross@thegnar.org, Matthew Garrett <mjg@redhat.com>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
	Brian Swetland <swetland@google.com>,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>,
	"Srivatsa S. Bhat" <srivatsa.bhat@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 5/8] epoll: Add a flag, EPOLLWAKEUP, to prevent suspend while epoll events are ready
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 22:40:53 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201204262240.54135.rjw@sisk.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120426140324.0357b1a3@notabene.brown>

On Thursday, April 26, 2012, NeilBrown wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 23:22:43 +0200 "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl> wrote:
> 
> > From: Arve Hjønnevåg <arve@android.com>
> > 
> > When an epoll_event, that has the EPOLLWAKEUP flag set, is ready, a
> > wakeup_source will be active to prevent suspend. This can be used to
> > handle wakeup events from a driver that support poll, e.g. input, if
> > that driver wakes up the waitqueue passed to epoll before allowing
> > suspend.
> > 
> > The current implementation uses an extra wakeup_source when
> > ep_scan_ready_list runs. This can cause problems if a single thread
> > is polling on wakeup events and frequent non-wakeup events (events
> > usually arrive during thread freezing) using the same epoll file.
> 
> This is quite neat.
> 
> If I understand it correctly, you register file descriptors with epoll_ctl()
> on an fd created with epoll_create(), and set the new EPOLLWAKEUP flag.
> Then when a regular 'poll' or 'select' on the epoll fd reports that it is
> readable you:
>   - get a wakelock
>   - use epoll_wait to collect the events
>   - process the events
>   - release your wakelock
>   - go back to poll() or select() on the epoll fd.
> Correct?  As long as there are ready events with EPOLLWAKEUP set a
> wakeup_source is held active and the system won't go to sleep.
> 
> My concern with this is about permissions.  It appears that any process could
> wait of some fd (maybe a pipe they created themselves) with EPOLLWAKEUP, and
> then simply never epoll_wait() for the event.  Then they would be keeping
> the system awake.  I don't think that is acceptable.

I wonder what Arve has to say to that, but let me say that on systems without
autosleep every process can go into an infinite busy loop which is going to
drain battery relatively quickly just as well and I don't see why that's so
much different.

> So there needs to be some way to limit who can effectively block suspend by
> using EPOLLWAKEUP.
> (This is one of the reasons I like an all-user-space solution.  Policy issues
> like this can easily be decided in user-space but are clumsy to put into the
> kernel).
> 
> Also, I'm having trouble understanding the ep->ws wakeup_source.
> The epi->ws makes lots of sense and I think I understand it all.
> However I don't see why you need a wakeup_source for the 'struct eventpoll'.
> 
> Every time that 'poll' decides to call the ->poll fop for the eventpoll, this
> wakeup_source will be activated and deactivated which will abort any current
> suspend cycle even if there are no events to report.
> 
> I suspect it can just go away.

I'll leave this one entirely to Arve, if you don't mind. :-)

> One last item that doesn't really belong here - but it is in context.
> 
> This mechanism is elegant because it provides a single implementation that
> provides wakeup_source for almost any sort of device.  I would like to do the
> same thing for interrupts.
> Most (maybe all) of the wakeup device on my phone have an interrupt where the
> body is run in a thread.  When the thread has done it's work the event is
> visible to userspace so the EPOLLWAKEUP mechanism is all that is needed to
> complete the path to user-space (or for my user-space solution, nothing else
> is needed once it is visible to user-space).
> So we just need to ensure a clear path from the "top half" interrupt handler
> to the threaded handler.
> So I imagine attaching a wakeup source to every interrupt for which 'wakeup'
> is enabled, activating it when the top-half starts and relaxing it when the
> bottom-half completes.  With this in place, almost all drivers would get
> wakeup_source handling for free.
> Does this seem reasonable to you.

Yes, it does.

Wakeup devices have their own wakeup source objects anyway, so perhaps they may
be used for this purpose somehow (just wondering).

> I'm afraid I don't have code yet, but hope to find time in a few weeks.
> 
> One difficulty with that is that I have noticed a number of drivers that
> potentially enable_irq_wake just before suspend and disable_irq_wake
> immediately after (e.g. gpio_keys.c).  Allocating a wakeup_source on each
> enable_irq_wake would be an unfortunate overhead.  Maybe we just allocate it
> the first time enable_irq_wake is called ....

I guess we can do something in analogy with device_wakeup_enable()?

Rafael

  reply	other threads:[~2012-04-26 20:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 129+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-02-07  1:00 [RFC][PATCH 0/8] PM: Implement autosleep and "wake locks" Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07  1:01 ` [PATCH 1/8] PM / Sleep: Initialize wakeup source locks in wakeup_source_add() Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07 22:29   ` John Stultz
2012-02-07 22:41     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07  1:03 ` [PATCH 2/8] PM / Sleep: Do not check wakeup too often in try_to_freeze_tasks() Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07  1:03 ` [PATCH 3/8] PM / Sleep: Look for wakeup events in later stages of device suspend Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07  1:04 ` [PATCH 4/8] PM / Sleep: Use wait queue to signal "no wakeup events in progress" Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-08 23:10   ` NeilBrown
2012-02-09  0:05     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-12  1:27   ` mark gross
2012-02-07  1:05 ` [RFC][PATCH 5/8] PM / Sleep: Change wakeup statistics Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-15  6:15   ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-15 22:37     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-17  2:11       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-07  1:06 ` [RFC][PATCH 6/8] PM / Sleep: Implement opportunistic sleep Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07 22:49   ` [Update][RFC][PATCH " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07  1:06 ` [RFC][PATCH 7/8] PM / Sleep: Add "prevent autosleep time" statistics to wakeup sources Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07  1:07 ` [RFC][PATCH 8/8] PM / Sleep: Add user space interface for manipulating " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-07  1:13 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/8] PM: Implement autosleep and "wake locks" Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-08 23:57 ` NeilBrown
2012-02-10  0:44   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-12  2:05     ` mark gross
2012-02-12 21:32       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-14  0:11         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-15 15:28           ` mark gross
2012-02-12  1:54   ` mark gross
2012-02-12  1:19 ` mark gross
2012-02-14  2:07 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-14 23:22   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-15  5:57     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-15 23:07       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-16 22:22         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-17  3:56           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-17 23:02             ` [PATCH] PM / Sleep: Add more wakeup source initialization routines Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-18 23:50               ` [Update][PATCH] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-20 23:04                 ` [Update 2x][PATCH] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-17  3:55         ` [RFC][PATCH 0/8] PM: Implement autosleep and "wake locks" Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-17 20:57           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-21 23:31 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/7] PM: Implement autosleep and "wake locks", take 2 Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-21 23:32   ` [RFC][PATCH 1/7] PM / Sleep: Look for wakeup events in later stages of device suspend Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-21 23:33   ` [RFC][PATCH 2/7] PM / Sleep: Use wait queue to signal "no wakeup events in progress" Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-21 23:34   ` [RFC][PATCH 3/7] PM / Sleep: Change wakeup source statistics to follow Android Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-21 23:34   ` [RFC][PATCH 4/7] Input / PM: Add ioctl to block suspend while event queue is not empty Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-24  5:16     ` Matt Helsley
2012-02-25  4:25       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-25 23:33         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-28  0:19         ` Matt Helsley
2012-02-26 20:57       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-27 22:18         ` Matt Helsley
2012-02-28  1:17           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-28  5:58         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-03-04 22:56           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-06  1:04             ` [PATCH 1/2] epoll: Add a flag, EPOLLWAKEUP, to prevent suspend while epoll events are ready Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-03-06  1:04               ` [PATCH 2/2] PM / Sleep: Add wakeup_source_activate and wakeup_source_deactivate tracepoints Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-21 23:35   ` [RFC][PATCH 5/7] PM / Sleep: Implement opportunistic sleep Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-22  8:45     ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-02-22 22:10       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-23  5:35         ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-02-21 23:36   ` [RFC][PATCH 6/7] PM / Sleep: Add "prevent autosleep time" statistics to wakeup sources Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-21 23:37   ` [RFC][PATCH 7/7] PM / Sleep: Add user space interface for manipulating " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-22  4:49   ` [RFC][PATCH 0/7] PM: Implement autosleep and "wake locks", take 2 John Stultz
2012-02-22  8:44     ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-02-22 22:10       ` [RFC][PATCH 0/7] PM: Implement autosleep and "wake locks", take2 Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-23  6:25         ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-02-23 21:26           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-23 21:32             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-24  4:44               ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-02-24 23:21                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-25  4:43                   ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-02-25 20:43                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-25 19:20                   ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-02-25 21:01                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-02-28 10:24                       ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-04-22 21:19   ` [RFC][PATCH 0/8] PM: Implement autosleep and "wake locks", take 3 Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-22 21:19     ` [PATCH 1/8] PM / Sleep: Look for wakeup events in later stages of device suspend Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-22 21:20     ` [PATCH 2/8] PM / Sleep: Use wait queue to signal "no wakeup events in progress" Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-23  4:01       ` mark gross
2012-04-22 21:21     ` [PATCH 3/8] PM / Sleep: Change wakeup source statistics to follow Android Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-22 21:21     ` [PATCH 4/8] PM / Sleep: Add wakeup_source_activate and wakeup_source_deactivate tracepoints Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-22 21:22     ` [RFC][PATCH 5/8] epoll: Add a flag, EPOLLWAKEUP, to prevent suspend while epoll events are ready Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-26  4:03       ` NeilBrown
2012-04-26 20:40         ` Rafael J. Wysocki [this message]
2012-04-27  3:49           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-04-27 21:18             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-27 23:26               ` [PATCH] " Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-04-30  1:58             ` [RFC][PATCH 5/8] " NeilBrown
2012-05-01  0:52               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-05-01  2:18                 ` NeilBrown
2012-05-01  5:33                 ` [PATCH] " Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-05-01  6:28                   ` NeilBrown
2012-05-01 13:51                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-07-16  6:38                   ` Michael Kerrisk
2012-07-16 11:00                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-07-16 22:04                       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-07-17  5:14                         ` Michael Kerrisk
2012-07-17 19:22                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-07-17 19:36                             ` Greg KH
2012-07-17 19:55                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-07-18  6:41                             ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2012-04-22 21:23     ` [RFC][PATCH 6/8] PM / Sleep: Implement opportunistic sleep Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-26  3:05       ` NeilBrown
2012-04-26 21:52         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-27  0:39           ` NeilBrown
2012-04-27 21:22             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-03  0:23           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-05-03 13:28             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-03 21:27               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-05-03 22:20                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-03 22:16                   ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-05-03 22:24                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-22 21:24     ` [RFC][PATCH 7/8] PM / Sleep: Add "prevent autosleep time" statistics to wakeup sources Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-22 21:24     ` [RFC][PATCH 8/8] PM / Sleep: Add user space interface for manipulating " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-24  1:35       ` John Stultz
2012-04-24 21:27         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-26  6:31           ` NeilBrown
2012-04-26 22:04             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-27  0:07               ` NeilBrown
2012-04-27 21:15                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-27  3:57               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-04-27 21:14                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-27 21:17                   ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-04-27 21:34                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-03 19:29                       ` [PATCH 0/2]: Kconfig options for wakelocks limit and gc (was: Re: [RFC][PATCH 8/8] PM / Sleep: Add user space ...) Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-03 19:30                         ` [PATCH 1/2] PM / Sleep: Make the limit of user space wakeup sources configurable Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-03 19:34                         ` [PATCH 2/2] PM / Sleep: User space wakeup sources garbage collector Kconfig option Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-03 22:14                         ` [PATCH 0/2]: Kconfig options for wakelocks limit and gc (was: Re: [RFC][PATCH 8/8] PM / Sleep: Add user space ...) Arve Hjønnevåg
2012-05-03 22:20                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-04-23 16:49     ` [RFC][PATCH 0/8] PM: Implement autosleep and "wake locks", take 3 Greg KH
2012-04-23 19:51       ` Rafael J. Wysocki

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