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From: Russ Anderson <rja@sgi.com>
To: Don Zickus <dzickus@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	rja@americas.sgi.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86: Avoid intermixing cpu dump_stack output on multi-processor systems
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 17:56:03 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120601225603.GD24318@sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120529235407.GH32472@redhat.com>

On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 07:54:07PM -0400, Don Zickus wrote:
> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 06:11:35PM -0500, Russ Anderson wrote:
> > > > In this case, I am just using the hardware NMI, which sends the NMI
> > > > signal to each logical cpu.  Since each cpu receives the NMI at nearly
> > > > the exact same time, they end up in dump_stack() at the same time.
> > > > Without some form of locking, trace lines from different cpus end
> > > > up intermixed, making it impossible to tell what any individual 
> > > > cpu was doing.
> > > 
> > > I forgot the original reasons for having the NMI go to each CPU instead of
> > > just the boot CPU (commit 78c06176), but it seems like if you revert that
> > > patch and have the nmi handler just call trigger_all_cpu_backtrace()
> > > instead (which does stack trace locking for pretty output), that would
> > > solve your problem, no?  That locking is safe because it is only called in
> > > the NMI context.
> > 
> > We want NMI to hit all the cpus at the same time to get a coherent
> > snapshot of what is happening in the system at one point in time.
> > Sending an IPI one cpu at a time skews the results, and doesn't 
> 
> Oh, I thought it was broadcasting, but I see the apic_uv code serializes
> it.  Though getting all those hardware locks in the nmi handler has to be
> time consuming?  But I know you guys did some tricks to speed that up.
> 
> > really solve the problem of multiple cpus going into dump_stack()
> > at the same time.  NMI isn't the only possible caller of dump_stack().
> 
> I am curious, your NMI handler has locking wrapped around dump_stack,
> shouldn't that serialize the output the way you want it?  Why isn't that
> working?

Yes, you're right, it does.  It is working.  I'd forgotten that 
the community kernel has uv_nmi_lock in uv_handle_nmi.  Must 
be working too much with distro kernels.  :-)  But that doesn't
help for all the other code paths than call dump_stack.


> > FWIW, "Wait for up to 10 seconds for all CPUs to do the backtrace" on
> > a 4096 cpu system isn't long enough.  :-)
> 
> Good point. :-)
> 
> > 
> > > Whereas the lock you are proposing can be called in a mixture of NMI and
> > > IRQ which could cause deadlocks I believe.
> > 
> > Since this is a lock just around the dump_stack printk, would 
> > checking for forward progress and a timeout to catch any possible
> > deadlock be sufficient?  In the unlikely case of a deadlock the
> > lock gets broken and some of the cpu backtraces get intermixed.
> > That is still a huge improvement over the current case where 
> > all of the backtraces get intermixed.
> 
> I saw your new patch based on Frederick's input.  It seems to take care of
> deadlock situations though you run into the starving lock problem that
> ticketed spinlocks solved.  Which is why I am curious why moving the
> locking one layer up to the NMI handler (which is where it is currently),
> didn't fix your problem.

Locking in dump_stack would remove the need for uv_nmi_lock.

-- 
Russ Anderson, OS RAS/Partitioning Project Lead  
SGI - Silicon Graphics Inc          rja@sgi.com

  reply	other threads:[~2012-06-01 22:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-05-24 14:42 [PATCH] x86: Avoid intermixing cpu dump_stack output on multi-processor systems Russ Anderson
2012-05-24 15:34 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-05-29 18:50   ` Russ Anderson
2012-05-29 17:53 ` Don Zickus
2012-05-29 19:19   ` Russ Anderson
2012-05-29 22:39     ` Don Zickus
2012-05-29 23:11       ` Russ Anderson
2012-05-29 23:54         ` Don Zickus
2012-06-01 22:56           ` Russ Anderson [this message]
2012-06-04 14:23             ` Don Zickus

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