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From: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Miklos Szeredi <mszeredi@suse.cz>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	"J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@redhat.com>,
	Sage Weil <sage@newdream.net>
Subject: Re: processes hung after sys_renameat, and 'missing' processes
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 00:39:09 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120607233909.GJ30000@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <873966n2c2.fsf@xmission.com>

On Thu, Jun 07, 2012 at 04:12:45PM -0700, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> We take the approprate dentry locks in the approparite order so d_move
> and the dcache should not care in the slightest about the inode
> mutecies.
> 
> If we need the inode mutecies to make the dcache bits safe then
> something really is insane.  There may be subtle insanities in the
> vfs that require the inode muticies of the parents in d_move but I am
> certainly not seeing them.  At least as I read it the code in __d_move
> only touches and modifies dentry fields.

Yes.  Now, go take a look at e.g. the locking order on ->d_lock.  No,
I'm not saying that I like it.  Not at all.  But we do rely on the
non-local protections for tree topology, just to make sure that the
damn thing has the locking order consistent - not changing between
the moments you take locks you've ordered, for starters.

I realize that "serialize all operations on a single per-machine mutex" is a
solution.  It's just not something feasible when we are talking about all
directory tree modifications on a general-purpose filesystem.  So no,
sysfs approach to that kind of problems is not usable here.

I doubt that we have something sysfs-related in the deadlocks davej is seeing,
but I seriously suspect that I can cook one based on sysfs_rename() setting
the things up for silent topology changes on ->lookup().  I would suggest
using d_materialise_unique() there - that one *does* take care to take
locks needed.

BTW, looking at the code in sysfs_lookup()... why bother with d_set_d_op()
instead of just sb->s_d_op = &sysfs_dentry_ops; once during sysfs_fill_super()?
In the worst case you need to do that after you've allocated the root
dentry, depending on whether you are willing or not to make ->d_revalidate()
return 1 whenever it's called on the root dentry...

  reply	other threads:[~2012-06-07 23:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-06-03 22:36 processes hung after sys_renameat, and 'missing' processes Dave Jones
2012-06-03 22:51 ` Dave Jones
2012-06-03 23:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-06-03 23:17   ` Al Viro
2012-06-03 23:28     ` Al Viro
2012-06-03 23:40       ` Al Viro
2012-06-03 23:59         ` Al Viro
2012-06-04  0:07       ` Dave Jones
2012-06-06 19:42       ` Dave Jones
2012-06-06 22:38         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-06-06 23:00           ` Dave Jones
2012-06-06 23:31             ` Linus Torvalds
2012-06-06 23:54               ` Al Viro
2012-06-07  0:29                 ` Dave Jones
2012-06-07  0:40                   ` Al Viro
2012-06-07  0:42                   ` Linus Torvalds
2012-06-07  1:19                     ` Dave Jones
2012-06-07  1:29                       ` Al Viro
2012-06-07  1:31                         ` Dave Jones
2012-06-07  1:31                         ` Al Viro
2012-06-07  1:42                           ` Dave Jones
2012-06-07  1:45                           ` Linus Torvalds
2012-06-07  1:54                             ` Al Viro
2012-06-07  2:08                               ` Dave Jones
2012-06-07 19:36                         ` Al Viro
2012-06-07 20:43                           ` Sage Weil
2012-06-07 23:12                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-06-07 23:39                             ` Al Viro [this message]
2012-06-07 23:57                             ` Linus Torvalds
2012-06-08  0:36                               ` Al Viro
2012-06-08  0:42                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-06-08  0:59                                 ` Al Viro
2012-06-08  5:25                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-06-08  5:48                                     ` Al Viro
2012-06-08  7:54                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-06-08 20:20                                         ` Al Viro
2012-06-08  2:08                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-06-08  2:37                                   ` Al Viro
2012-06-08  2:18                           ` Al Viro
2012-06-08 16:22                           ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-06-08 17:44                             ` Linus Torvalds
2012-06-11 12:17                               ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-06-07  1:40                       ` Linus Torvalds
2012-06-07  0:35                 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-06-07 10:26               ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-07 15:30                 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-06-08  7:31                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-08 14:38                     ` Dave Jones
2012-06-08 14:51                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-08 15:01                         ` Dave Jones
2012-06-08 15:11                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-08 15:21                             ` Dave Jones
2012-06-08 14:46                     ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-06-08 15:08                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-11 12:17                         ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-06-04  0:00   ` Dave Jones
2012-06-04  0:16     ` Linus Torvalds
2012-06-04  0:20       ` Al Viro
2012-06-04  9:35         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-04  9:29       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-04 10:49         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-07  0:13           ` Dave Jones
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2012-06-07  7:07 Miklos Szeredi
2012-06-07 15:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-06-11 16:02   ` Miklos Szeredi

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