2012 Kernel Summit: Call for Participation: 2nd CALL

2012 Kernel Summit: Call for Participation: 2nd CALL

[Theodore Ts'o]

Please note that we are using a different way of selecting who will get
invites this year; please read below, subscribe to the
ksummit-2012-discuss mailing list, and send an [ATTEND] request to the
mailing list if you are interested in attending.

Do feel free to forward this other mailing lists (especially if there
are internal kernel development lists at your company) if appropriate.

Many thanks,

						- Ted


The annual Kernel Summit for 2012 will be held on the 3 days preceding the
Linux Foundation LinuxCon and Linux Plumbers Conference at the Sheraton San
Diego Hotel and Marina from 27-29 August:

        http://www.linuxplumbersconf.org/2012/
        https://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/linuxcon

The format of the Kernel Summit will be

Monday: All Kernel Developers Plenary Sessions
Tuesday: Kernel technical working and breakout sessions
Wednesday: Additional Technical sessions shared with Plumbers


This year, in order to make the selection process more transparent,
we're trying a new mechanism where we'll be selecting this year's
attendees from amongst those who submit proposals to attend as
described below.

We'll try to cap attendance at around 80-100 for the all kernel
developers day, so get your request in early.  To request a place to
attend, please send an email to

    ksummit-2012-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org

Please summarize what expertise you will bring to the meeting,
and what you'd like to discuss.  Please also tag your email with
[ATTEND] so there's less chance of it getting lost in the large
mail pile.

Requests to attend will be looked upon more favorably if you also
participate in the discussion of topics at

    ksummit-2012-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org

You can subscribe via mailman:

    http://lists.linux-foundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ksummit-2012-discuss


For reference, the agendas from a few prior kernel summits are here:

http://ksummit2011.kernel.org/agenda
http://ksummit2010.kernel.org/agenda

Re: 2012 Kernel Summit: Call for Participation: 2nd CALL

[NeilBrown]

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A second call -- after only 4 days.
How many calls will there be?  How long do we have to respond?
If those of us who happen to be on vacation now (getting out of the way well
before the kernel summit), want to delay thinking about a proposal until
we're back at work, is that OK, or might we miss out?

> 
> This year, in order to make the selection process more transparent,

... and I really am having trouble figuring out how this makes it more 
"transparent".
It certainly makes it more noisy.  And maybe that is a good thing.  There
does seem to be more content on the list this time and that is at least
partly good.  But is it more transparent?

For transparency we would need to see how the selection process will work -
when the closing date is, how the proposals will be assessed etc.
Will the committee's deliberations be public?  Will there be an appeal
process?

If not, then the process isn't really transparent.

But this doesn't bother me as I think transparency is over-rated.
I'd much rather have competent leadership than transparent leadership, and
assuming the committee is the same as previous years (was the committee
membership announced?  I didn't see it) then I have no doubts about their
competence.

So keep up the good work, but if transparency is really what you want then I
think you need a little more than just asking people to justify their places.

Thanks,
NeilBrown


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Re: 2012 Kernel Summit: Call for Participation: 2nd CALL

[Tejun Heo]

Hello, guys.

On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:19:22AM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> The annual Kernel Summit for 2012 will be held on the 3 days preceding the
> Linux Foundation LinuxCon and Linux Plumbers Conference at the Sheraton San
> Diego Hotel and Marina from 27-29 August:

First of all, thank you very much for doing the hard work of
organizing KS for all these years.

One issue that I sometimes have with KS is that it often coincides
with (or falls very close to) Korean Thanksgiving which is 15th day of
8th month on the lunar calendar which, this year, falls on Sept 30th.
This is one of the two biggest traditional holidays in Korea (three
day holiday thing w/ a lot of the population moving for family
gatherings) making traveling for conferences somewhat difficult.

Interestingly, China doesn't seem to have that as thanksgiving but
moon festival, which may be a smaller deal and the population affected
by this schedule may be too small to matter.  Is it just me?  Any
other Koreans coming to KS this year?.

Depending on the number of people affected and if at all possible, it
would be nice to avoid such big holidays.  So, have fun, guys.

Thanks.

-- 
tejun

RE: 2012 Kernel Summit: Call for Participation: 2nd CALL

[Kukjin Kim]

Tejun Heo wrote:
> 
> Hello, guys.
> 
Hi all,

> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:19:22AM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> > The annual Kernel Summit for 2012 will be held on the 3 days preceding
> the
> > Linux Foundation LinuxCon and Linux Plumbers Conference at the Sheraton
> San
> > Diego Hotel and Marina from 27-29 August:
> 
> First of all, thank you very much for doing the hard work of
> organizing KS for all these years.
> 
> One issue that I sometimes have with KS is that it often coincides
> with (or falls very close to) Korean Thanksgiving which is 15th day of
> 8th month on the lunar calendar which, this year, falls on Sept 30th.
> This is one of the two biggest traditional holidays in Korea (three
> day holiday thing w/ a lot of the population moving for family
> gatherings) making traveling for conferences somewhat difficult.
> 
Yeah, right.

> Interestingly, China doesn't seem to have that as thanksgiving but
> moon festival, which may be a smaller deal and the population affected
> by this schedule may be too small to matter.  Is it just me?  Any
> other Koreans coming to KS this year?.
> 
Here, another Korean, I'd like to attend KS 2012 ;)

> Depending on the number of people affected and if at all possible, it
> would be nice to avoid such big holidays.  So, have fun, guys.
> 

Thanks.

Best regards,
Kgene.
--
Kukjin Kim <kgene.kim@samsung.com>, Senior Engineer,
SW Solution Development Team, Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd.

Re: 2012 Kernel Summit: Call for Participation: 2nd CALL

[Tejun Heo]

Hey again.

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 11:11:12AM -0700, Tejun Heo wrote:
> Depending on the number of people affected and if at all possible, it
> would be nice to avoid such big holidays.  So, have fun, guys.

Eh never mind.  Minchan just told me KS is in August and Thanksgiving
is in Sept.  Stupid me.  :)

Thanks.

-- 
tejun

Re: 2012 Kernel Summit: Call for Participation: 2nd CALL

[Fengguang Wu]

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 11:11:12AM -0700, Tejun Heo wrote:
> Hello, guys.
> 
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:19:22AM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> > The annual Kernel Summit for 2012 will be held on the 3 days preceding the
> > Linux Foundation LinuxCon and Linux Plumbers Conference at the Sheraton San
> > Diego Hotel and Marina from 27-29 August:
> 
> First of all, thank you very much for doing the hard work of
> organizing KS for all these years.
> 
> One issue that I sometimes have with KS is that it often coincides
> with (or falls very close to) Korean Thanksgiving which is 15th day of
> 8th month on the lunar calendar which, this year, falls on Sept 30th.
> This is one of the two biggest traditional holidays in Korea (three
> day holiday thing w/ a lot of the population moving for family
> gatherings) making traveling for conferences somewhat difficult.
> 
> Interestingly, China doesn't seem to have that as thanksgiving but
> moon festival, which may be a smaller deal and the population affected

Yes. We have Moon Festival (Sept 30th this year) and fortunately it
impacts far less than the Spring Festival, whose travel experiences
are horrible:

        Spring Festival travel season
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chunyun
        http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/mediafile/201201/08/F201201081134452033422106.jpg

        The period usually begins 15 days before the Lunar New Year's Day and
        lasts for around 40 days. The number of passenger journeys during the
        Chunyun period has exceeded the population of China, hitting over 2
        billion in 2008.[1] It has been called the largest annual human
        migration in the world.[12]

linux.conf.au happens to be in that period...

> by this schedule may be too small to matter.  Is it just me?  Any
> other Koreans coming to KS this year?.
> 
> Depending on the number of people affected and if at all possible, it
> would be nice to avoid such big holidays.  So, have fun, guys.

Hope you enjoy the holidays all the same!

Thanks,
Fengguang

Re: 2012 Kernel Summit: Call for Participation: 2nd CALL

[Fengguang Wu]

On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:18:53AM -0700, Tejun Heo wrote:
> Hey again.
> 
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 11:11:12AM -0700, Tejun Heo wrote:
> > Depending on the number of people affected and if at all possible, it
> > would be nice to avoid such big holidays.  So, have fun, guys.
> 
> Eh never mind.  Minchan just told me KS is in August and Thanksgiving
> is in Sept.  Stupid me.  :)

Aha, so you don't have that 1.5-month long travel season like us ;)

Thanks,
Fengguang

Re: 2012 Kernel Summit: Call for Participation: 2nd CALL

[Tejun Heo]

On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 10:47:29PM +0800, Fengguang Wu wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:18:53AM -0700, Tejun Heo wrote:
> > Hey again.
> > 
> > On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 11:11:12AM -0700, Tejun Heo wrote:
> > > Depending on the number of people affected and if at all possible, it
> > > would be nice to avoid such big holidays.  So, have fun, guys.
> > 
> > Eh never mind.  Minchan just told me KS is in August and Thanksgiving
> > is in Sept.  Stupid me.  :)
> 
> Aha, so you don't have that 1.5-month long travel season like us ;)

Heh, yeah, it's a pretty small country.  It's much less now but
majority of the population used to travel to their hometowns over
Thanksgiving much like the lunar new year in China, but even then,
even if you travel one end to the other, taking more than a day was
extremely rare.  The land is at most slightly above 500km across after
all, so it's usually three (or maybe four or five) day deal over here.
I kinda want to try the 1.5 month thing tho. :)

-- 
tejun