Organising Mini Summits within the Kernel Summit

Organising Mini Summits within the Kernel Summit

[James Bottomley]

Hi All,

We have set aside the second day of the kernel summit (Tuesday 28
August) as mini-summit day.  So far we have only the PCI mini summit on
this day, so if you can think of other topics, please send them to the
kernel summit discuss list:

ksummit-2012-discuss@lists.linux-foundation.org

Looking at the available rooms, we think we can run about four or five
mini summits.

As an added incentive, mini summit organisers get to pick who they
invite and all the people they pick will get an automatic invitation to
the third day of the kernel summit (but not the core first day) and the
evening events.

James

ARM mini-summit

[Arnd Bergmann]

On Wednesday 11 July 2012, James Bottomley wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> We have set aside the second day of the kernel summit (Tuesday 28
> August) as mini-summit day.  So far we have only the PCI mini summit on
> this day, so if you can think of other topics, please send them to the
> kernel summit discuss list:
> 
> ksummit-2012-discuss@lists.linux-foundation.org
> 
> Looking at the available rooms, we think we can run about four or five
> mini summits.
> 
> As an added incentive, mini summit organisers get to pick who they
> invite and all the people they pick will get an automatic invitation to
> the third day of the kernel summit (but not the core first day) and the
> evening events.

There is a lot of interest in having another ARM mini-summit, as we had last
year. Previously, Grant Likely organized this with Olof and me, but right now
Grant is in an extended offline period and Olof is currently on vacation
as well. Will Deacon already contacted me and he is interested in helping
out with organizing the mini-summit, so the two of us could be the primary
contacts, with Grant and Olof joining in as time permits.

I'm planning to send out an initial email to potential participants today
or tomorrow to get an idea of who would be joining. Do you have an upper
limit to the number of people that you expect a mini-summit? I think we
could easily get 30 or more people that want to come, but we can also
restrict it to a smaller size.

	Arnd

Re: [Ksummit-2012-discuss] ARM mini-summit

[Catalin Marinas]

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 12:28:29PM +0100, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> On Wednesday 11 July 2012, James Bottomley wrote:
> > Hi All,
> > 
> > We have set aside the second day of the kernel summit (Tuesday 28
> > August) as mini-summit day.  So far we have only the PCI mini summit on
> > this day, so if you can think of other topics, please send them to the
> > kernel summit discuss list:
> > 
> > ksummit-2012-discuss@lists.linux-foundation.org
> > 
> > Looking at the available rooms, we think we can run about four or five
> > mini summits.
> > 
> > As an added incentive, mini summit organisers get to pick who they
> > invite and all the people they pick will get an automatic invitation to
> > the third day of the kernel summit (but not the core first day) and the
> > evening events.
> 
> There is a lot of interest in having another ARM mini-summit, as we had last
> year. Previously, Grant Likely organized this with Olof and me, but right now
> Grant is in an extended offline period and Olof is currently on vacation
> as well. Will Deacon already contacted me and he is interested in helping
> out with organizing the mini-summit, so the two of us could be the primary
> contacts, with Grant and Olof joining in as time permits.
> 
> I'm planning to send out an initial email to potential participants today
> or tomorrow to get an idea of who would be joining.

I'm definitely interested in attending this.

-- 
Catalin

Re: [Ksummit-2012-discuss] ARM mini-summit

[Marc Zyngier]

On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 12:57:55 +0100, Catalin Marinas
<catalin.marinas@arm.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 12:28:29PM +0100, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
>> On Wednesday 11 July 2012, James Bottomley wrote:
>> > Hi All,
>> > 
>> > We have set aside the second day of the kernel summit (Tuesday 28
>> > August) as mini-summit day.  So far we have only the PCI mini summit
on
>> > this day, so if you can think of other topics, please send them to
the
>> > kernel summit discuss list:
>> > 
>> > ksummit-2012-discuss@lists.linux-foundation.org
>> > 
>> > Looking at the available rooms, we think we can run about four or
five
>> > mini summits.
>> > 
>> > As an added incentive, mini summit organisers get to pick who they
>> > invite and all the people they pick will get an automatic invitation
to
>> > the third day of the kernel summit (but not the core first day) and
the
>> > evening events.
>> 
>> There is a lot of interest in having another ARM mini-summit, as we had
>> last
>> year. Previously, Grant Likely organized this with Olof and me, but
>> right now
>> Grant is in an extended offline period and Olof is currently on
vacation
>> as well. Will Deacon already contacted me and he is interested in
helping
>> out with organizing the mini-summit, so the two of us could be the
>> primary
>> contacts, with Grant and Olof joining in as time permits.
>> 
>> I'm planning to send out an initial email to potential participants
today
>> or tomorrow to get an idea of who would be joining.
> 
> I'm definitely interested in attending this.

Same here. The previous incarnation of the mini-summit was very
successful, and I would be very interested in attending another one.

It's not like we're having any shortage of things to discuss these days...
;-)

Thanks,

        M.
-- 
Fast, cheap, reliable. Pick two.

Re: [Ksummit-2012-discuss] ARM mini-summit

[Kukjin Kim]

On 07/11/12 21:35, Marc Zyngier wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 12:57:55 +0100, Catalin Marinas
> <catalin.marinas@arm.com>  wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 12:28:29PM +0100, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
>>> On Wednesday 11 July 2012, James Bottomley wrote:
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> We have set aside the second day of the kernel summit (Tuesday 28
>>>> August) as mini-summit day.  So far we have only the PCI mini summit
> on
>>>> this day, so if you can think of other topics, please send them to
> the
>>>> kernel summit discuss list:
>>>>
>>>> ksummit-2012-discuss@lists.linux-foundation.org
>>>>
>>>> Looking at the available rooms, we think we can run about four or
> five
>>>> mini summits.
>>>>
>>>> As an added incentive, mini summit organisers get to pick who they
>>>> invite and all the people they pick will get an automatic invitation
> to
>>>> the third day of the kernel summit (but not the core first day) and
> the
>>>> evening events.
>>>
>>> There is a lot of interest in having another ARM mini-summit, as we had
>>> last
>>> year. Previously, Grant Likely organized this with Olof and me, but
>>> right now
>>> Grant is in an extended offline period and Olof is currently on
> vacation
>>> as well. Will Deacon already contacted me and he is interested in
> helping
>>> out with organizing the mini-summit, so the two of us could be the
>>> primary
>>> contacts, with Grant and Olof joining in as time permits.
>>>
>>> I'm planning to send out an initial email to potential participants
> today
>>> or tomorrow to get an idea of who would be joining.
>>
>> I'm definitely interested in attending this.
>
> Same here. The previous incarnation of the mini-summit was very
> successful, and I would be very interested in attending another one.
>
> It's not like we're having any shortage of things to discuss these days...
> ;-)
>
+1 same here, I'm interested in ARM mini-summit :)

Thanks.

Best regards,
Kgene.
--
Kukjin Kim <kgene.kim@samsung.com>, Senior Engineer,
SW Solution Development Team, Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd.

Re: [Ksummit-2012-discuss] ARM mini-summit

[Tony Lindgren]

* Kukjin Kim <kgene.kim@samsung.com> [120712 15:13]:
>
> +1 same here, I'm interested in ARM mini-summit :)

Yeah me too!

Tony

Re: [Ksummit-2012-discuss] ARM mini-summit

[Igor Grinberg]

On 07/13/12 10:18, Tony Lindgren wrote:
> * Kukjin Kim <kgene.kim@samsung.com> [120712 15:13]:
>>
>> +1 same here, I'm interested in ARM mini-summit :)
> 
> Yeah me too!
> 

+1 very interested and we have lot's of stuff to discuss


-- 
Regards,
Igor.

Re: [Ksummit-2012-discuss] ARM mini-summit

[Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk]

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 01:15:02PM +0100, Grant Likely wrote:
> On Jul 11, 2012 12:28 PM, "Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de> wrote:
> >
> > On Wednesday 11 July 2012, James Bottomley wrote:
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > We have set aside the second day of the kernel summit (Tuesday 28
> > > August) as mini-summit day.  So far we have only the PCI mini summit on
> > > this day, so if you can think of other topics, please send them to the
> > > kernel summit discuss list:
> > >
> > > ksummit-2012-discuss@lists.linux-foundation.org
> > >
> > > Looking at the available rooms, we think we can run about four or five
> > > mini summits.
> > >
> > > As an added incentive, mini summit organisers get to pick who they
> > > invite and all the people they pick will get an automatic invitation to
> > > the third day of the kernel summit (but not the core first day) and the
> > > evening events.
> >
> > There is a lot of interest in having another ARM mini-summit, as we had
> last
> > year. Previously, Grant Likely organized this with Olof and me, but right
> now
> > Grant is in an extended offline period and Olof is currently on vacation
> > as well. Will Deacon already contacted me and he is interested in helping
> > out with organizing the mini-summit, so the two of us could be the primary
> > contacts, with Grant and Olof joining in as time permits.
> 
> Acked-by: Grant Likely <grant.likely@secretlab.ca>

I would be interested in attending it as well. I believe Stefano has a strong
interest as well (since he and Ian Campbell are leading the Xen ARM work).

> 
> >
> > I'm planning to send out an initial email to potential participants today
> > or tomorrow to get an idea of who would be joining. Do you have an upper
> > limit to the number of people that you expect a mini-summit? I think we
> > could easily get 30 or more people that want to come, but we can also
> > restrict it to a smaller size.
> >
> >         Arnd

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Re: [Ksummit-2012-discuss] ARM mini-summit

[Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk]

>> > contacts, with Grant and Olof joining in as time permits.
>>
>> Acked-by: Grant Likely <grant.likely@secretlab.ca>
>
> I would be interested in attending it as well. I believe Stefano has a strong
> interest as well (since he and Ian Campbell are leading the Xen ARM work).

And Stefano is out on vacation right now so I will serve as his phantom voice
and say: "Yes, I am interested as well."

Re: [Ksummit-2012-discuss] ARM mini-summit

[Arnd Bergmann]

On Wednesday 11 July 2012, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk wrote:
> >> > contacts, with Grant and Olof joining in as time permits.
> >>
> >> Acked-by: Grant Likely <grant.likely@secretlab.ca>
> >
> > I would be interested in attending it as well. I believe Stefano has a strong
> > interest as well (since he and Ian Campbell are leading the Xen ARM work).
> 
> And Stefano is out on vacation right now so I will serve as his phantom voice
> and say: "Yes, I am interested as well."

Ok. So are you mostly interested in discussion ARM virtualization or other topics
as well? Last time we had organized this explicitly as the "ARM subarch maintainer
summit" and we might again limit the participants to the subarch maintainers and
a few more people if we're running out of space, but then again if a lot of them
are interested in discussion virtualization, we should probably have you both and 
the ARM KVM people included as well.

We haven't even started discussing an agenda, but I'll note down your names as
candidates and Xen and/or KVM as proposed topics. I'll follow up with a more
formal call for topics once I have a positive confirmation from James and the
linux-foundation that we can go ahead with the ARM mini-summit.

	Arnd

Re: [Ksummit-2012-discuss] ARM mini-summit

[Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk]

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 08:06:28PM +0000, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> On Wednesday 11 July 2012, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk wrote:
> > >> > contacts, with Grant and Olof joining in as time permits.
> > >>
> > >> Acked-by: Grant Likely <grant.likely@secretlab.ca>
> > >
> > > I would be interested in attending it as well. I believe Stefano has a strong
> > > interest as well (since he and Ian Campbell are leading the Xen ARM work).
> > 
> > And Stefano is out on vacation right now so I will serve as his phantom voice
> > and say: "Yes, I am interested as well."
> 
> Ok. So are you mostly interested in discussion ARM virtualization or other topics
> as well? Last time we had organized this explicitly as the "ARM subarch maintainer
> summit" and we might again limit the participants to the subarch maintainers and
> a few more people if we're running out of space, but then again if a lot of them
> are interested in discussion virtualization, we should probably have you both and 
> the ARM KVM people included as well.

More on the virtualization side. If you are getting close to no space, take me
off the roll but please include Stefano on it.
> 
> We haven't even started discussing an agenda, but I'll note down your names as
> candidates and Xen and/or KVM as proposed topics. I'll follow up with a more
> formal call for topics once I have a positive confirmation from James and the
> linux-foundation that we can go ahead with the ARM mini-summit.

<nods>

Thanks for organizing this.

Re: [Ksummit-2012-discuss] ARM mini-summit

[Marc Zyngier]

On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 20:06:28 +0000, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> wrote:
> On Wednesday 11 July 2012, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk wrote:
>> >> > contacts, with Grant and Olof joining in as time permits.
>> >>
>> >> Acked-by: Grant Likely <grant.likely@secretlab.ca>
>> >
>> > I would be interested in attending it as well. I believe Stefano has
a
>> > strong
>> > interest as well (since he and Ian Campbell are leading the Xen ARM
>> > work).
>> 
>> And Stefano is out on vacation right now so I will serve as his phantom
>> voice
>> and say: "Yes, I am interested as well."
> 
> Ok. So are you mostly interested in discussion ARM virtualization or
other
> topics
> as well? Last time we had organized this explicitly as the "ARM subarch
> maintainer
> summit" and we might again limit the participants to the subarch
> maintainers and
> a few more people if we're running out of space, but then again if a lot
> of them
> are interested in discussion virtualization, we should probably have you
> both and 
> the ARM KVM people included as well.
> 
> We haven't even started discussing an agenda, but I'll note down your
> names as
> candidates and Xen and/or KVM as proposed topics. I'll follow up with a
> more
> formal call for topics once I have a positive confirmation from James
and
> the
> linux-foundation that we can go ahead with the ARM mini-summit.

Putting on my KVM/ARM hacker hat this time: I'd be very glad to contribute
to the discussion. There is a number of ARM-specific topics that would be
interesting to discuss regarding KVM/ARM (mainlining the damn thing, common
hypercalls?, HYP mode booting), and probably a couple of other things.

Cheers,

        M.
-- 
Fast, cheap, reliable. Pick two.

Re: [Ksummit-2012-discuss] ARM mini-summit

[Rob Herring]

On 07/11/2012 04:16 PM, Marc Zyngier wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 20:06:28 +0000, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> wrote:
>> On Wednesday 11 July 2012, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk wrote:
>>>>>> contacts, with Grant and Olof joining in as time permits.
>>>>>
>>>>> Acked-by: Grant Likely <grant.likely@secretlab.ca>
>>>>
>>>> I would be interested in attending it as well. I believe Stefano has
> a
>>>> strong
>>>> interest as well (since he and Ian Campbell are leading the Xen ARM
>>>> work).
>>>
>>> And Stefano is out on vacation right now so I will serve as his phantom
>>> voice
>>> and say: "Yes, I am interested as well."
>>
>> Ok. So are you mostly interested in discussion ARM virtualization or
> other
>> topics
>> as well? Last time we had organized this explicitly as the "ARM subarch
>> maintainer
>> summit" and we might again limit the participants to the subarch
>> maintainers and
>> a few more people if we're running out of space, but then again if a lot
>> of them
>> are interested in discussion virtualization, we should probably have you
>> both and 
>> the ARM KVM people included as well.
>>
>> We haven't even started discussing an agenda, but I'll note down your
>> names as
>> candidates and Xen and/or KVM as proposed topics. I'll follow up with a
>> more
>> formal call for topics once I have a positive confirmation from James
> and
>> the
>> linux-foundation that we can go ahead with the ARM mini-summit.
> 
> Putting on my KVM/ARM hacker hat this time: I'd be very glad to contribute
> to the discussion. There is a number of ARM-specific topics that would be
> interesting to discuss regarding KVM/ARM (mainlining the damn thing, common
> hypercalls?, HYP mode booting), and probably a couple of other things.
> 

Perhaps a mini-summit on ARM virtualization, too? Xen Summit is also
co-located.

Rob

Re: [Ksummit-2012-discuss] ARM mini-summit

[Stefano Stabellini]

On Wed, 11 Jul 2012, Marc Zyngier wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 20:06:28 +0000, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> wrote:
> > On Wednesday 11 July 2012, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk wrote:
> >> >> > contacts, with Grant and Olof joining in as time permits.
> >> >>
> >> >> Acked-by: Grant Likely <grant.likely@secretlab.ca>
> >> >
> >> > I would be interested in attending it as well. I believe Stefano has
> a
> >> > strong
> >> > interest as well (since he and Ian Campbell are leading the Xen ARM
> >> > work).
> >> 
> >> And Stefano is out on vacation right now so I will serve as his phantom
> >> voice
> >> and say: "Yes, I am interested as well."
> > 
> > Ok. So are you mostly interested in discussion ARM virtualization or
> other
> > topics
> > as well? Last time we had organized this explicitly as the "ARM subarch
> > maintainer
> > summit" and we might again limit the participants to the subarch
> > maintainers and
> > a few more people if we're running out of space, but then again if a lot
> > of them
> > are interested in discussion virtualization, we should probably have you
> > both and 
> > the ARM KVM people included as well.
> > 
> > We haven't even started discussing an agenda, but I'll note down your
> > names as
> > candidates and Xen and/or KVM as proposed topics. I'll follow up with a
> > more
> > formal call for topics once I have a positive confirmation from James
> and
> > the
> > linux-foundation that we can go ahead with the ARM mini-summit.
> 
> Putting on my KVM/ARM hacker hat this time: I'd be very glad to contribute
> to the discussion. There is a number of ARM-specific topics that would be
> interesting to discuss regarding KVM/ARM (mainlining the damn thing, common
> hypercalls?, HYP mode booting), and probably a couple of other things.


That's right: the hypercall calling convention, notifications from the
hypervisor via GIC, the boot process and device tree for virtual
hardware are all interesting topics to discuss.

Re: [Ksummit-2012-discuss] ARM mini-summit

[Stefano Stabellini]

On Wed, 11 Jul 2012, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk wrote:
> >> > contacts, with Grant and Olof joining in as time permits.
> >>
> >> Acked-by: Grant Likely <grant.likely@secretlab.ca>
> >
> > I would be interested in attending it as well. I believe Stefano has a strong
> > interest as well (since he and Ian Campbell are leading the Xen ARM work).
> 
> And Stefano is out on vacation right now so I will serve as his phantom voice
> and say: "Yes, I am interested as well."
> 

Indeed I am very interested in the ARM mini-summit!

Thanks Konrad for speaking on my behalf during my time AFK.

Re: [Ksummit-2012-discuss] ARM mini-summit

[David Brown]

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 11:28:29AM +0000, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> On Wednesday 11 July 2012, James Bottomley wrote:
> > Hi All,
> > 
> > We have set aside the second day of the kernel summit (Tuesday 28
> > August) as mini-summit day.  So far we have only the PCI mini summit on
> > this day, so if you can think of other topics, please send them to the
> > kernel summit discuss list:
> > 
> > ksummit-2012-discuss@lists.linux-foundation.org
> > 
> > Looking at the available rooms, we think we can run about four or five
> > mini summits.
> > 
> > As an added incentive, mini summit organisers get to pick who they
> > invite and all the people they pick will get an automatic invitation to
> > the third day of the kernel summit (but not the core first day) and the
> > evening events.
> 
> There is a lot of interest in having another ARM mini-summit, as we had last
> year. Previously, Grant Likely organized this with Olof and me, but right now
> Grant is in an extended offline period and Olof is currently on vacation
> as well. Will Deacon already contacted me and he is interested in helping
> out with organizing the mini-summit, so the two of us could be the primary
> contacts, with Grant and Olof joining in as time permits.
> 
> I'm planning to send out an initial email to potential participants today
> or tomorrow to get an idea of who would be joining. Do you have an upper
> limit to the number of people that you expect a mini-summit? I think we
> could easily get 30 or more people that want to come, but we can also
> restrict it to a smaller size.

I found the ARM mini-summit last year to be valuable.  I'm definitely
interested.

Because of the location, I think there should be a good turnout of
Qualcomm kernel devs at plumbers, if anyone wants to meet anyone,
that'd be a good time.

David

-- 
Sent by an employee of the Qualcomm Innovation Center, Inc.
The Qualcomm Innovation Center, Inc. is a member of the Code Aurora Forum.

Re: ARM mini-summit

[Olof Johansson]

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 4:28 AM, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> wrote:
> On Wednesday 11 July 2012, James Bottomley wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> We have set aside the second day of the kernel summit (Tuesday 28
>> August) as mini-summit day.  So far we have only the PCI mini summit on
>> this day, so if you can think of other topics, please send them to the
>> kernel summit discuss list:
>>
>> ksummit-2012-discuss@lists.linux-foundation.org
>>
>> Looking at the available rooms, we think we can run about four or five
>> mini summits.
>>
>> As an added incentive, mini summit organisers get to pick who they
>> invite and all the people they pick will get an automatic invitation to
>> the third day of the kernel summit (but not the core first day) and the
>> evening events.
>
> There is a lot of interest in having another ARM mini-summit, as we had last
> year. Previously, Grant Likely organized this with Olof and me, but right now
> Grant is in an extended offline period and Olof is currently on vacation
> as well. Will Deacon already contacted me and he is interested in helping
> out with organizing the mini-summit, so the two of us could be the primary
> contacts, with Grant and Olof joining in as time permits.

ACK. I'll be back home next week and should have more time to spend on
it from there on out.


-Olof

wireless networking mini-summit

[John W. Linville]

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 09:09:15AM +0100, James Bottomley wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> We have set aside the second day of the kernel summit (Tuesday 28
> August) as mini-summit day.  So far we have only the PCI mini summit on
> this day, so if you can think of other topics, please send them to the
> kernel summit discuss list:
> 
> ksummit-2012-discuss@lists.linux-foundation.org
> 
> Looking at the available rooms, we think we can run about four or five
> mini summits.
> 
> As an added incentive, mini summit organisers get to pick who they
> invite and all the people they pick will get an automatic invitation to
> the third day of the kernel summit (but not the core first day) and the
> evening events.
> 
> James

It looks like there are some key wireless developers that will be
available in San Diego.  At least one of them (Johannes) will _not_
be available for the planned wireless mini-summit event later in
Barcelona.  So, it would be valuable for the wireless folks to have
an opportunity for a confab in San Diego.

If there are a plethora of mini-summits proposed, this one should be
low priority.  As mentioned, we already have something planned for
later in the year.

John
-- 
John W. Linville		Someday the world will need a hero, and you
linville@tuxdriver.com			might be all we have.  Be ready.

Re: [Ksummit-2012-discuss] Organising Mini Summits within the Kernel Summit

[Theodore Ts'o]

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 09:09:15AM +0100, James Bottomley wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> We have set aside the second day of the kernel summit (Tuesday 28
> August) as mini-summit day.  So far we have only the PCI mini summit on
> this day, so if you can think of other topics, please send them to the
> kernel summit discuss list:
> 
> ksummit-2012-discuss@lists.linux-foundation.org
> 
> Looking at the available rooms, we think we can run about four or five
> mini summits.
> 
> As an added incentive, mini summit organisers get to pick who they
> invite and all the people they pick will get an automatic invitation to
> the third day of the kernel summit (but not the core first day) and the
> evening events.

OK, so far I believe I've heard concrete suggestions from identified
(or fairly well identified :-) stuckees willing to organize
mini-summits for:

* ARM
* Media
* PCI
* memcg

I may have missed some, so if people could send a message to the
discuss list with [MINI-SUMMIT] in the subbject line and the name of
the proposed mini-summit, that would be really helpful.  Please
indicate whether you are volunteering to help organize the proposed
mini-summit, or identify someone you think can be volunteered.  :-)

Things that we will be asking the mini-summit chars to determine, in
addition to who should be given invites for Tuesday and Wednesday is
an estimate of how much time you need, and a list of sub-topics (and
who might lead the sub-topic discussion).  We will be asking you to
create a fairly well-defined schedule, with 30 and 60 minute slots, so
that we can publish a schedule and so that people who might need to
hop between mini-summits, have a chance to do so.  So please start
thinking about how long each of your sub-topics will need to be, and
who might be needed for a particular sub-topic's discussion to be
successful.  There may be a number of developers, with fingers in
multiple subsystem, where scheduling may become a bit of a challenge.

Thanks!!

						- Ted