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From: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: Linux Kernel Developers List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, w@1wt.eu, ewust@umich.edu,
	zakir@umich.edu, greg@kroah.com, mpm@selenic.com,
	nadiah@cs.ucsd.edu, jhalderm@umich.edu, tglx@linutronix.de,
	davem@davemloft.net, stable@kernel.org,
	DJ Johnson <dj.johnson@intel.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 07/10] random: add new get_random_bytes_arch() function
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 11:10:00 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120725151000.GA30996@thunk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <500F69F3.3040905@zytor.com>

On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 08:37:23PM -0700, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> 
> As a compromise I offer the following patch; in terms of performance
> it is "the worst of both worlds" but it should provide the combined
> security of either; even if RDRAND is completely compromised by the
> NSA, Microsoft and the Illuminati all at once it will do no worse
> than the existing code, and (since RDRAND is so much faster than the
> existing code) it has only a modest performance cost.  More
> realistically, it will let many more users take advantage of a high
> entropy quick-reseeding random number generator, thus ending up with
> a major gain in security.

RDRAND is already getting mixed in already in xfer_secondary_pool() so
we are already taking advantage of Bull Mountain (or any other
CPU/architecture-specific hw RNG) if it is present.

Aside from whether it's better to do this step in
xfer_secondary_pool() or extract_entropy(), your patch looks very
wrong to me.  Nothing is actually *using* hash.l[], which is where the
results of the RDRAND generator is placed.

I assume you were planning on xor'ing hash.w and hash.l, but that's
not present in your patch.

I also don't understand why you are using a blind union here; it has
no real advantage that I can see, and so it's all downside.  It bloats
the patch (making it harder to see that your patch results in a net
*decrease* in security, since it removes the use of RDRAND in
xfer_security_pool, and replaces it with a no-op).

		    		    	   - Ted

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-07-25 15:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-07-05 18:12 [PATCH 00/10] /dev/random fixups Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-05 18:12 ` [PATCH 01/10] random: make 'add_interrupt_randomness()' do something sane Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-05 18:47   ` Matt Mackall
2012-07-05 18:52     ` Linus Torvalds
2012-07-05 21:39       ` Matt Mackall
2012-07-05 21:47         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-07-05 22:00           ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-05 22:21             ` Linus Torvalds
2012-07-05 22:31               ` Matt Mackall
2012-07-05 22:35                 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-07-05 23:21                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-06  2:59                   ` Linus Torvalds
2012-07-06 13:01                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-06 16:24                       ` Linus Torvalds
2012-07-06 16:52                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-09 19:15                           ` Matt Mackall
2012-07-25 18:43                         ` Thomas Gleixner
     [not found]   ` <CAGsuqq2MWuFnY7PMb_2ddBNNJr80xB_JW+Wryq3mhhmQuEojpg@mail.gmail.com>
2012-07-06 21:59     ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-05 18:12 ` [PATCH 02/10] random: use lockless techniques when mixing entropy pools Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-05 18:18   ` Linus Torvalds
2012-07-05 18:19   ` Greg KH
2012-07-05 23:09     ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-05 19:10   ` Matt Mackall
2012-07-05 19:47     ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-05 20:45       ` Matt Mackall
2012-07-05 18:12 ` [PATCH 03/10] random: create add_device_randomness() interface Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-05 18:12 ` [PATCH 04/10] usb: feed USB device information to the /dev/random driver Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-05 18:12 ` [PATCH 05/10] net: feed /dev/random with the MAC address when registering a device Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-05 18:12 ` [PATCH 06/10] random: use the arch-specific rng in xfer_secondary_pool Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-05 18:49   ` Linus Torvalds
2012-07-05 18:12 ` [PATCH 07/10] random: add new get_random_bytes_arch() function Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-05 18:35   ` Linus Torvalds
2012-07-05 19:50     ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-05 21:45     ` Matt Mackall
2012-07-25  3:37   ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-07-25  7:22     ` Ingo Molnar
2012-07-25 15:10     ` Theodore Ts'o [this message]
2012-07-25 15:19       ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-07-25 17:37       ` [PATCH] random: mix in architectural randomness in extract_buf() H. Peter Anvin
2012-07-25 23:50         ` Ben Hutchings
2012-07-26  0:32           ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-07-28  2:39         ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-28  2:48           ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-07-26  3:16       ` [PATCH 07/10] random: add new get_random_bytes_arch() function H. Peter Anvin
2012-07-26  3:24         ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-07-05 18:12 ` [PATCH 08/10] random: unify mix_pool_bytes() and mix_pool_bytes_entropy() Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-05 18:12 ` [PATCH 09/10] random: add tracepoints for easier debugging and verification Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-05 18:12 ` [PATCH 10/10] MAINTAINERS: Theodore Ts'o is taking over the random driver Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-06 11:40 ` [PATCH 00/10] /dev/random fixups Fengguang Wu
2012-07-06 12:44   ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-20 20:15 ` [PATCH] dmi: Feed DMI table to /dev/random driver Tony Luck
2012-07-20 21:03   ` Matt Mackall
2012-07-21  0:56   ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-21  1:19     ` Tony Luck
2012-07-21  2:02       ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-23 16:47         ` [PATCH] random: Add comment to random_initialize() Tony Luck

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